SPEAKER_02 0:02

This is only the beginning, even though it's spinning out of control. This is only the beginning, even though it feels just like the end. Everything seems wrong now, but somehow beautiful. This is only the big candy. Even the skinny chocolate. This is only the big candy. But I love has only started to begin. But our love has only started to begin.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

I just wanted to start by saying Sister Dolora, who is one of our volunteer nurse, and she's also a nun, expressed uh that she wanted to tell Dr. Delgado on behalf of the Catholic Church, she wanted to say thank you for what you have done. And so I thought that was, she just told me that a few minutes ago that I want that she wanted to express that uh to you, Dr. Delgado. Um so welcome. Thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Well, it's great to be here and thank you, Sister Laura, for those kind words.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

Awesome. So I wanted to start off by asking you about, you know, why did you write this book uh about APR? Tell us, you know, what inspired you to write this.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Sure, yeah. The book on abortion pill reversal is second chance of choice. I wrote it because I wanted the people out there to get all the information about abortion pill reversal in an easy-to-read format so they could make their own decisions. Because unfortunately, there has been there have been efforts to um censor us and to mislead the public about abortion pill reversal, primarily by what I call in the book the medical abortion complex. Because um the medical abortion complex realizes that um abortion pill reversal would while it's a great gift to women who change their minds and want a second chance at joints, they perceive it as a threat. And the reason they perceive it as a threat is a quote in the book um in the chapter called David and Goliath, where um Dr. Daniel Grossman from University of California, San Francisco is interviewed by an online uh liberal outlet called Slate. And in that um Dr. Grossman says that if uh women are given progesterone under medically supervised conditions for for APR, that uh he thinks it would be very safe. And and so we agree with him, and we always provide and recommend and and uh advocate for very close medical supervision, unlike what they're doing on the other side with male order abortions. But we we always are very, very much into good medical supervision. But then he goes on to say, however, I I wouldn't want this to be advertised or made public because it might mislead the public about the extent of abortion regret. So I thought to myself, Bingo, this is really it. This tells us why they have been so against abortion pill reversal from the time they learned about it, because they know that if you know that some women change their minds after starting the chemical abortion process, that that blows a huge hole in the narrative that abortion is a great good for all women. Because if it were such a great good, why would some women change their minds after starting the process?

SPEAKER_04 5:51

Wow. Yeah, that's that's a good point. And uh and thank you for writing this book because I feel like it's a collection of all of this really insightful information from your viewpoint and and also from others that were close to you. So it's really interesting to be able to you know ride that journey or or you know hear the stories um that you've gone through. So when you wrote this book, who did you write it for? Like who was your primary audience for writing this book to who to you know who who you're writing it to?

SPEAKER_00 6:23

I was definitely writing it to a general audience, to the people out there who are not medical people, because um they're the ones who really need to know about abortion pill reversal in case women are ever in this situation, they know about it already. Or if it's a a man or a woman who's a mentor to one of these women, a woman's asking for advice, or if it happens to be a pregnancy help worker, all these people I think really need to know about abortion pill reversal and really need to know the facts in a very um easy to understand um writing style, which is what what I I used. And at the same time, however, th those who are people who are medical, they will still find it very interesting um and to r to read about the history about it and also to learn about how mifepristone actually works to cause chemical abortions and how uh progesterone works to reverse the effects of mifopristone. But all in all, uh very much written for a general audience to give them information, also to inspire them. The the part two of the book is a whole collection of stories written in the first person of women who've gone through the abortion pill reversal process and how they came came about it, and also have a couple of um chapters written by hotline nurses who give their perspective as well as uh two by uh physicians. One, Dr. Dermot Carney in the UK, who's one of my heroes who nearly had his medical license suspended because he was offering abortion pill reversal. He titled his chapter The First Doctor in History was banned from saving lives, which is exactly what happened to him. And then the the story of Dr. Matthew Harris, who was forming the first ever abortion pill reversal, is also in the book.

SPEAKER_04 8:04

Wow. Yeah, we um actually I read that chapter um from Dr. uh uh Dermot Kearney, and then I interviewed him on this podcast just a few weeks ago. And so that was um helpful for my interview research. And so um yeah, very impactful story of being told he was not allowed to provide APR, being banned from saving lives. Um so so Dr. Delgado, what's what kind of reactions have you gotten from people who have read the book so far?

SPEAKER_00 8:37

I've gotten you know overwhelmingly positive responses to it. Um people, it seems especially like the part two of the book, which is the um the first hand accounts of the women who've gone through abortion pill reversal. So I think stories often really resonate with people. And storytelling is a great way to to educate people. So that's why I was so happy to be able to provide that that part of the book where where people told their own stories. They also um have told me they they really like the um the simple to read understanding um that I provide of of how uh abortion pill reversal works and the behind the scenes um I give um looking at how MifeCrystone itself was approved in the United States without uh the FDA following its own rules that several regulations were broken, and that it it really essentially was approved illegally in the United States, and how the medical abortion complex has been fighting us every step of the way and and all the hurdles we've had to to to climb over in order to to get this to people. And I I think they appreciate the perseverance of everybody in the abortion pill reversal movement because it really is a movement. It's not something that I started or Dr. Matthew Harrison started. It came about because there are two women thousands of miles apart at different times who asked two doctors, Dr. Harrison and myself, if we could help them reverse their chemical abortions. So it came about because of the the cries for help of these women who wanted a second chance at choice.

SPEAKER_04 10:12

That's good. Um so so I ended up I I got a copy of your book from Priest for Life's office. Um Father Frank Bravone had a stack of stack of the books, and they were offering it to those who were there at the time when I was there. And and so, but for those who um aren't able to go to the priest for life office, you can also get it on Amazon. Um just search for Dr. Dogato abortion pill reversal book. And um, yeah, that's that's that's another good place to get it. Um so Dr. Doggato, would you share like an overview or some more some more bits of this book um uh so that people that are intrigued might even be more intrigued to go pick up a copy and and read it?

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Yeah, I think so. It it's written in three parts. And the first part is where I start with um my story, because again, I liked I like the storytelling format, how I got involved, how I got a call from a woman um named Terry Palmquist in uh Bakersfield, California, who was on the phone with a woman from El Paso, Texas, who was seeking to reverse her chemical abortion. How I talked to her and how the Holy Spirit really put two and two together in my mind. I had a lot of knowledge of how to use progesterone in women with low progesterone levels early in pregnancy who were having what we call threatened miscarriage. You can give progesterone to save those babies. And I also knew how mypristone worked because even before it had been approved in the United States in the year 2000, I had a very, uh I had a kind of an almost an unnatural curiosity about it. I was just very curious about miphopristone. And so I read a lot about it and I knew exactly how it worked by blocking progesterone receptors. So then at that moment I reasoned that perhaps although these women might have normal progesterone levels, they're being made essentially non-functional. So perhaps if I treat these like the women with low progesterone levels and give supplemental progesterone, perhaps I could defeat the myfopristone athoreceptor site, outcompete, if you will. And so that's the the how it came came about the idea. And I came up with a protocol right there on the fly. Then I found a doctor in El Paso, Texas, Dr. John Ellen Bellacoro, who agreed to treat the patient, and we were able to save that baby. And then the story continued, and how people started hearing more and more about it, and how we started the network and the hotline and started to publish articles. And then from there, part one continues with again an explanation of how mephopristone abortions actually work, and then the science behind how progesterone reverses those, and again in very easy-to-read format. Then I I go into what the the state is, uh, how how the abortion pill, chemical abortion pill industry has increased in the United States, has become a very lucrative industry. And then um what um from there I go to part two, which is all the first hand accounts that I already mentioned. And then part three is kind of the wrap-up part, but uh which with some very interesting um parts with the first chapter in part three, I call it common themes, and I go through what I've seen are common themes in these stories of the women who choose reversal. And I found that there are three common themes. One is that almost always there's immediate regret. This is not something that they seem to come over over several days. There's some immediate regret. Number two, the uh women always have at least one person in their corner. There's always one person supporting her and saying, yes, you can do this. You don't have to go through with the abortion. And number three, almost all the women have some faith background. Many of them sort of were were have drifted far from God, but they always had some foundation that was still there, a foundation where they could firmly plant their feet to reach up to to help from God. And I saw that that was very important. And then we see that abortion pill reversal is um is is not only is very transformative, and we talk about this a bit in the uh chapter where I compared it to uh APR to CPR. Well, CPR cardiopulmonary resuscitation, you saved one physical life, and the the odds of saving the life really are not that great, but APR, the chance of saving the baby's life, very great, very high uh percentage of success. And as something else happens, not only is the physical life of the pre-born baby safe, but the spiritual life of the mother is often safe. The woman be goes from being she who would abort her baby to her who now she who now is the savior of her baby. It's truly transformative. And we've seen that these women oftentimes just totally change the trajectory of their lives and and they start leading very um um purposeful and intentional and godly lives, uh really changing the course of their lives and the course of their families. So so that's really really wonderful. And so in that chapter on on what you ban, uh CPR, I talk about how CPR was approved without any randomized controlled trials. Randomized controlled trial would be where you choose which you you randomize people. So let's say every odd person who goes down with a heart attack gets CPR, and every even person who goes down with a heart attack doesn't get CPR. And so the um you you you never use that kind of process for CPR, of course. Once we found out it worked, everybody got it who who needed it. Same thing with APR, we now have evidence that it works, it's life-saving, there's no alternative. So to do a trial where we compare it to placebo or no treatment at all would be absolutely unethical and should not be expected of us. And in fact, we we look at the uh the hypocrisy of how the abortion pill itself was approved in the United States. There was no placebo group and there was no randomization, just women would come to a clinic and they would be offered the chemical abortion pill and then they studied it from there. So they're holding holding us to higher scientific standards that they held themselves when they approved nephrepristone. Another chapter in part three is uh looking at the uh some of the um names that have been chosen for these APR babies. And this is a very interesting chapter for those who like to see uh the depth in names, because uh as you probably know, uh names are very meaningful. And and in fact, when you go back to ancient times, um names had even more meaningful where uh parents would intentionally name their children because they had a mission in mind for that child, or because they thought that God had a mission in mind. And so so names uh were very profound, and knowing someone's name was a special privilege, and it gave you sort of a special relationship with that person once you knew that that person's name. So names, you know, the uh the meanings of names have changed over time and and um and and the kind of significance people apply to them has changed, but they still nonetheless have meanings whether people know or not. And in fact, in in my studies of some of these names of some of these APR babies, it became clear to me that sometimes the the parents pick these names for for maybe one or two reasons, but that there may have been more profound, deeper meanings to those names that really fit those babies because of their circumstances being saved from the from the jaws of death. So I found that very, very interesting. And I and I go into what a lot of the deeper meanings are of some of these names and how they might apply to these. But then from there I go on to uh what the status of uh APR is in the United States and throughout the world. I go through all the different things going on around the world. Really wonderful things of Russia is just uh one example that it pops up because you know, we have this view of Russia as you know, uh totalitarian um and uh dictatorial, and you know, maybe these sort of often evil connotations. And certainly with the Soviet Empire, it certainly was that way. But truth be told, in in in some ways, APR is more accepted in Russia than it is in the United States, the land of the free and the brave. Um in Russia, the professional organization that's analogous to our ACOG, American College of Observation Gynecologists, has given its approval to APR. And the Ministry of Health, which is analogous to our FDA and CDC kind of combined, has sanctioned APR and has actually given up a suggested protocol of how you are to go about it. So we see though the and then in in Russia, the the wisdom there of accepting APR. Well, here in the United States, the medical abortion complex, which uh sometimes includes the FDA and the CDC, has been fighting us and and fighting um this wonderful treatment that we want to offer women, not impose on them, but just propose. And um and they're they're getting more traction in Russia, unfortunately, than we are here. And then finally, I I finish with a uh kind of a final words chapter where I kind of summarize everything. And I also have in that part, in that chapter, a a shout-out and a call out, a call to action for men, because um I really feel that men in our society have been marginalized, have been demasculasculized. And that's one of the reasons why we have this plague of abortion, because men are not standing up and being protectors, protectors of the um of their mates of the women who who who they've impregnated, and protectors of their of their new families, of the babies in the womb. I feel that if men would be the protectors that they should be, instead of the predators that they've become, we would have much healthier families, healthier relationships, more responsibility, more accountability, and far fewer abortions because um many times women choose abortion because they feel they have no way out of that corner, they have no recourse, no nobody on their side. But if there were a man who would stand up and be responsible for his actions, responsible for his pre-born baby, responsible for his woman, then I think uh we really would see a lot more um life-saving decisions, less abortion and healthier relationships and families.

SPEAKER_04 20:27

Awesome. So, so Dr. Dogato, I remember it was at an International Life Services Advanced Training Institute event when I first heard about APR and you were presenting it. Um, Sister Paula ran that um ILS ATI, and I believe you were there with uh nurse Debbie, and I think APR was less than two years old, maybe even less than one year old. I don't quite know exact exactly, but I remember leaving that um I I remember your talk, and your talk was similar to your talk today or your talk in later years about how APR worked, but I didn't understand it then. Um, but now I do understand it. So for those who are listening, um, if by chance you're in my shoes and it takes you three months to comprehend what you know how this is working and what's really happening, um, hopefully you'll do hopefully you'll do much better than I did. Because it took me about three months, and then it just sort of dawned on me of like, oh my goodness, this is amazing. I finally understand what he was saying. And um this is like the greatest thing since the ultrasound machine being invented when it came to like a new window to help someone out of a burning building. Like, we just found a new window to help someone get out. I mean, maybe the ultrasound machine is like the door. APR is like a new window that just got opened to help someone get out of that dangerous place. And and so all this. Say is um and then I think we we ended up working with you for about six years and then uh until Heartbeat um was given the opportunity to to work on APR and and to continue to grow it and and build out the the network and um but I just remember that being like it took me three months to comprehend something that you said and at first I just didn't understand and then it finally it dawned on me. So if anyone's out there and you don't quite understand it, give yourself a little time, read the book, keep thinking about it. It will eventually probably resonate. And for hopeful and for many people that understand it much quicker than I did, then good for you. And so um all right, so before this interview, I asked a few people to share some questions so I could ask you, Dr. Delgado. So one of the questions is coming from Jarel. I'll see if I can share my screen just to make it easy to read. Here we go. Entire screen, share. Here we go. I'll bring this one over to here. All right, so the question is is um so this is from Jarell with Heartbeat. So why is the medical community, especially those serving pregnant moms, not more supportive?

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Well, I think that uh the general medical community, especially serving uh pregnant women, so the you know, mostly the obstetricians and gynecologists, they um often follow the lead of ACOG, American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. And they trust ACONG, which, you know, I think in previous times they could trust ACOM. But now ACOG is a self-avowed um abortion promoting organization. It is sign that wording, similar wording to that, that statement, on their website. So that they make no bones about it. One of the reasons they exist is to be abortion advocates. And so they now can truly be considered part of the medical abortion complex. So one of the cogs on the wheel of big abortion. And so like I said before about the quote from uh Dr. Grossman, that they um know that or they feel that abortion pill reversal is a threat to them. And so it's a threat to one of their core businesses, which is abortion. And so therefore they will try to minimize, marginalize, and um and make abortion pill reversal insignificant and and try to raise questions and certainly not uh not be supportive of it.

SPEAKER_04 24:40

Yeah, uh that makes sense. Um so the next question I had from Jarrell is what has your engagement with the media on APR revealed to you?

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Well, what's what it's revealed to me is that the the media are not a uh homogeneous group. The media are composed of all sorts of different people and becoming more heterogeneous as time goes on. And thankfully so, because you know now we have podcasts like the one that you're offering and many, many more that give people alternative sources of of news so that they don't have to rely on the legacy media, because the legacy medium really has has been also a one of the spokes in the wheel of the uh medical abortion complex. And that's you know, for several reasons. I think part of it is ideological, and part of it is because again, um they trust the mainstream um media voices such as um ACOM and American Medical Association, they don't question them, they they take it as gospel truth. So the um so whenever I'm interviewed by them, I always know that they have a bias. Um now they usually the the kind of the mainstream media they'll have the bias, but they don't uh come right out and attack. On the other hand, there are the very uh leftist media outlets um that come out and attack and and they try to get you on every single question, and it can be very, very uh difficult and frustrating. So for for those, I have to be very, very careful um as to whether or not I'm going to engage them. And then there are those who are um more um open-minded and are are gonna ask and try to learn about uh what's going on and not try to ask every question to uh catch me, but instead ask questions to to actually learn. They're really interested in learning, and and those, of course, are pleasure to to engage with with those sorts of uh media types.

SPEAKER_04 26:52

That's good. That's uh that's good to share and for yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So the third question that Jarrell asked was are there some common themes among the women who bravely pursue the option of APR?

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Yes, and I I have that again in my book in um part three, which is a t um a chapter titled Common Themes, and uh the three that I mentioned already, just to reiterate, one is um there's almost always immediate regret. Number two, they almost always have someone in their corner supporting them. And number three, there's almost always some connection to God. Um, even though they may have um very much drifted from their faith, fallen away from the faith. But there is still a connection um enough to give them some footing to trust that um that they can make this bold choice to uh reverse their chemical abortions.

SPEAKER_04 27:47

Yeah, it makes sense. It's good to have that in the book too, so people can yeah, read more about all each read more about that. That's good. That's good. So the next question I've got comes from uh Joan. She's one of um one of the uh people who support this podcast with lots of ideas and helps us line up some of the speakers and or people to interview. Um and the doc and the question that she has that she has for you is may other doctors contact you for advice? And if so, how may they reach you?

SPEAKER_00 28:20

Sure. Yeah, other doctors can contact me. They can go to um my website, stenoinstitute.org, s-t-e-n-o institute.org, and that's um the nonprofit I founded in 2018 in order to increase awareness, education, and research around abortion pillar soft. Then go there and get a lot of great information, and then there's also a contact page there where they can reach out. Awesome.

SPEAKER_04 28:46

All right, that's good. I'm glad that you're available. Uh I've got a follow-up question to that. If someone is in an area where there is there's not a doctor willing to do give a referral for APR, um, what are your thoughts on asking someone to do a remote referral in a different part of the country to and then and and then connect, you know, essentially working with the local um pharmacy to get progesterone. Is that a a viable option or is there is that is that a recipe? You know, what what are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 29:26

I think if what women should do is they should call if if they're in this situation, they should go to abortion pill reversal dot com and there they can read up about um abortion pill reversal. If they decide they want to continue and pursue it, then they connect with a hotline nurse. And the hotline nurse will find the doctor or clinic that's offers abortion pill reversal that is closest to her. And these days, I think um the longest or the um the longest time a people a woman has to drive to get to a doctor who offers is is probably um an hour, is probably the longest. So so we have uh you know doctors and clinics all over the country. And in cases where there's someone who's very, very remote, then there are some doctors who do uh telehealth and they will um they will arrange that and will offer very close follow-up. Um there still needs to be a a face-to-face um encounter in order to to get an ultrasound to make sure that the baby's still alive. So all that will be arranged so it it cannot be totally um you know remotely done because that would not be good medicine and and we're interested in making sure that not only we save the pre-born baby, but also that we take very good care of the women entrusted to us so that um they won't not suffer any kind of um adverse reactions that um that could happen if if they're not totally medically supervised.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

Okay. That's good. Yeah. So that's that sort of lines up with one of the questions that I had was how do you find the closest APRN doctor, which sounds like it's the go to the go to the abortion pill reversal website or to call option line slash APRN? Sounds like that's the the answer there. Okay. Um and then we had a director who asked a question and we sort of reframed it a bit to try and uh make it answerable. Uh but that question is is it in your experience some doctors do not provide information about APR when a patient expresses regret about their abortion decision?

SPEAKER_00 31:34

Yes, I have um experienced that and when I've talked to women who previously reached out to other doctors. And I think um it might be f because of a couple of reasons. One, it might be ignorance. There's some doctors who still don't know about abortion pill reversal, especially if all they're reading is what ACOM puts out. Or those who doubt abortion pill reversal because of the negative comments and the propaganda that's been uh issued by ACOM and by others in the medical abortion complex. So they may have um may have actually uh fallen prey to that and and and believe that, but believe the misinformation and the lies. And then there are other doctors who are very much invested in in abortion, either ideologically, academically, or financially. And those are also, uh, although they may know about all the information about abortion pill reversal, they choose to to give misinformation and um and not give women the full story and and and and what they need to know in case they they do want to reverse their chemical abortions. So unfortunately that's still the case um where we have um doctors who are either um misinformed, uninformed, or purposely misinformed patients.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Um and just to follow up on that, would you um talk a little bit about what what it means to be truly informed for for whether it's a you know someone thinking, you know, looking to go with the abortion pill or with APR abortion pill reversal, what does it what does it mean to be truly fully informed or to have truly and you know truly have informed consent?

SPEAKER_00 33:14

I think to to be truly informed for a woman who's going to be starting the chemical abortion process, she should know exactly how the process will play out, that uh she will likely deliver her her dead baby in her bathroom. Um many women would not find that appealing at all. Um, that she may have a very large amount of bleeding, much more than a regular period, that she may have very significant cramps, that there is a a significant risk that um she will need to go to the emergency department because of adverse events related to the abortion pill. That there is a significant percentage of women who need to have a second procedure, either take more drugs or have a surgical abortion because the chemical abortion didn't work. So these are things and they also should know that there's a very good study out of Finland, the best study ever done that compared the short-term complications of chemical abortion versus surgical abortion, and that the complications short-term short short-term complications of chemical abortion were four times greater than surgical abortion. So women have the right to know that before they make their decisions. Now, uh as far as the informed consent on the um abortion pill reversal, they have a right to know that um we use bio-identical progesterone, which is uh identical to the uh progesterone made by the woman's own body. That abort uh progesterone has been safely used in pregnancy for over 60 years. There's a very strong safety record. That um progesterone does not cause birth defects. That uh miphoprestone itself, the chemical abortion uh drug, although it does kill the pretorn baby the pre-born baby, it does not cause birth defects. That's very interesting. So if she's only taken miphaprestone, then takes progesterone, she has no increased risk of birth defects. So they they need to know that. That that's just a fact that we've demonstrated and others have demonstrated. And they they need to know that abortion pill reversal is very safe. We have a a new study looking at over 750 women who underwent abortion pill reversal that's been approved for publication. It'll be published in the Linaker quarterly coming up in the next few months that uh will give uh all the great safety data. And in that uh there were no hospitalizations, no maternal deaths, no need for antibiotics uh in the women who have successful um reversals of of their chemical abortion. So very, very, very good safety data with that.

SPEAKER_04 35:51

And and Dr. Dagato, do you know um how many babies have been saved by APR uh roughly?

SPEAKER_00 36:00

So abortion co uh abortion co-reversal network gives us uh the latest uh estimate that over 8,000 babies have been saved by abortion pill reversal.

SPEAKER_04 36:09

Wow. Praise God. Um well that's all the questions I have. Thank you so much for being on here. Before we wrap up, would you um close this podcast in a prayer and with a prayer for those who are you know w doing this work of life save this life-saving work and just praying for God's blessing over their yeah, the you know, for their uh for wisdom and direction and and and for uh to uh yeah, to avoid yeah, the attacks of the enemy.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

Yes, I'd be happy to. Good and loving God, we thank you for all the blessings you've given us. Thank you for the blessing of abortion tell reversal. Thank you for giving women a second chance at choice. Lord, we ask that you bless all women who are in these situations that they know about abortion tell reversal, that they choose to save their babies, that they choose to put their lives on godly paths, that they choose to follow you. We ask that you bless those who are promoting abortion tore reversal, those doctors and clinics who are offering abortion tore reversal. Please protect them all from any attacks. And most of all, we ask, Lord, that you bless our country, our world so that it'll be a place where women never ever again decide to even start an abortion process. That there may be love and support, that men may be protectors, that women may be nurturers, that they may cooperate together, that they that they may respect the great gift of fertility that you've given them. We ask all this in the name of your son Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

SPEAKER_04 37:41

Amen. Awesome. Thank you so much for being on here. I really appreciate your time.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

I'm gonna stop it here and let's see, you're at the end, you know.