SPEAKER_07 2:30

Well, welcome to the ProLife Team podcast. I'm Jacob, but I'm here with Carla. Carla, tell us about Flutter and you know who what Flutter is, how it got started, and where you are today.

SPEAKER_05 2:41

All right. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. Flutter started actually when I was the director of a pregnancy center in Bozeman, Montana. And I met Barbara, who is from Africa, and she shared with me the need for ultrasounds. And we had one in the closet. And a lot of pregnancy centers have them in the closet. And if you have one in the closet, call me. We'll put it somewhere instead of leaving it in the closet. And we just started doing ultrasounds in the United States at that point. And then uh the first we sent two to Kenya. They were the big refrigerator pregnancies, so big huge ones. And uh they were in our refrigerator boxes. It took two years to get there. And uh, but they're there and they're in a medical clinic, a pregnancy center that is in Kenya. So, and we just actually sent another one a week ago um to Kenya again. Uh we have we're over 250, 62 ultrasounds in 10 years, and we are on our 10th year anniversary. And God has just been there. Are so many stories. He just opens a door and opens a door, and uh, it's just really crazy. Uh, the first ultrasound was actually through Gloria at Ambassador Speaker Bureau. She had knew what I was doing and knew my heart, what where my heart was. And she had a lady who called her and asked her for an ultrasound for the Dominican Republic. Their pregnancy center was across the street from an abortion clinic and theirs had broke. And I said, Okay, Gloria, let's just pray and see what happens. In three hours, and this is really odd because in three hours, I get a phone call from a pregnancy center in Florida who has a laptop for pregnancy ultrasound that was almost brand new that they weren't gonna use anymore. I wanted to know if I wanted it. And then so I call Gloria, who then calls her friend, who then tells them yes, and they say now we need to figure out how to get it there. And the Dominican Republic had a pastor who was visiting Florida who went and picked up the ultrasound, and it was in the Dominican Republic at the pregnancy center within a week.

SPEAKER_06 4:53

Oh my goodness. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 4:56

And God just does that over and over and over. And we placed over 250 all over the world, all over um the United States, some in the United States. And I will get an email probably weekly now, uh, baby saved, twins saved, mom saved, twins saved. And it's just mind-blowing what God does. So yeah, that's that's kind of fluttering in a nutshell. Or in a cocoon, I should say.

SPEAKER_07 5:24

Yeah, and so um can you speak about you know making ultrasound machines and ultrasound service accessible to uh a small rural clinic here in the US or you know, you know, out of our country in a place that you know needs that support. But let's start with the US and the rural clinic that's got a small budget, and they they currently think maybe it's just out of reach to get that ultrasound and training to go with it.

SPEAKER_05 5:53

Right. So what kind of happened about 15 or 20 years ago, maybe even longer than that, when focus started doing their grants, and we received actually one of the first grants from Focus on the Family at our pregnancy center. Um, but they have stipulations, and I get that. I understand why they have to have, you know, rules that you have to follow and things that you have to qualify for. I get that. But there's 700 pregnancy centers that have been sitting for probably 10 to 15 years in our country without medical. And one of the reasons I believe is because they were told by whoever that they weren't big enough, they didn't make enough money, they weren't open enough hours, and they didn't qualify. And I get that, I totally do. But on the other hand, what is one baby worth? We need to have an ultrasound in that rural area. Now, what has happened over the last seven, ten to seven years is that's where most of the girls who are taking the abortion pill are dying. They're dying in the rural communities because they have no access to ultrasound, they don't know how far along they are, they take that pill, whether it's a fallopian pregnancy or whether they're 12 or 16 weeks and they think they're only five, and they die in their bathroom. And by the time they finally are to the hot, I mean a lot of them aren't saved. The baby dies, the mom dies, and we have to stop that. And pregnancy centers are about life, and so I believe that it's time in our country to step up and help those 700 pregnancy centers last um so Flutter last May, actually May 4th, May the 4th be with you. Um, yes, I'm a Star Wars freak, but um last May I actually um spoke at a pregnancy center banquet in Minnesota. And the reason was they were a little tiny rural community who wanted to go medical. And she had watched my videos on Brightcourse training about how to take your center and go medical. And she knew that I needed to be a speaker. Uh the crazy thing was the week that she called Gloria to ask in September that I could be their speaker in May, I was diagnosed with stage four colon cancer. So Gloria had told her, Carla has health issues. No. Melinda called her almost monthly. Is she is she gonna come? Can she come? Can she come? So finally at Christmas, so September to Christmas, Gloria says, I'm just gonna tell her yes. We'll figure it out. So she tells her guests, her and I start talking. And the cool thing was, I said, Are you gonna do a live ultrasound at your pregnancy center banquet? Because in the United States, fundraising, we know seeing that live ultrasound is huge. And she's like, Well, we don't have an ultrasound, that's why you're coming to speak. And I said, Well, I have, okay, at that point, 50 ultrasounds. Yes, I know that sounds silly, but I had 50 because I was ready to go to Heartbeat and bring them so the internationals could take them home. And they were at my house. We didn't give all 50 away. I asked the donor, he said it was fine if we gave it to a small rural pregnancy center. As long as they make under 225,000, they're not open 40 hours a work week and they don't have full medical staff, but they have some that they qualify. And we brought them the ultrasound. We did a free uh ultrasound at their banquet. It was amazing. They raised more money than they ever have. And they had a and I said, she said, What's the next thing I need? I said, You need a doctor who will carry the medical and look read your scans. And if he has abortion pill reversal background, that would be amazing. And I said, start praying for that. Jacob, this is how bad God wants this. A week later, she called me. You're never gonna believe this. I said, You found a doctor. She goes, How did you know that? And I said, Because that's what happens. And she's like, Yeah, and he's gonna be at the banquet, and he's gonna read all of our scans, and he knows how to do our uh abortion pill reversal, and it was crazy. And so he was at the banquet, and I met him and his nurses, and we did a live ultrasound, and they now went medical. And so, do they have to have policies and procedures? You bet. Do they need to do that through heartbeat, focus, nifla, right course training, whoever else will there's you know, make sure that you have your policies and procedures in line. Make sure you have some medical staff. And then we need to train that nurse. We have a couple of different options for that where um it's affordable. Heartbeat will do it, um, Sparrow will do it, uh what's the other one? Uh forget me not for ultrasound will do it. We just have there's so many that if you tell them you're a rural pregnancy center, you're out in the middle of nowhere, and you want to go medical, they're gonna work with you. And then the last thing you need is an a website that is accessible so that the girls can find you when they're in crisis or when they've taken that abortion pill and find the pregnancy center that's closest to them and get the help that they need. So it's not rocket science. It doesn't cost $225,000. It's completely doable. And so we have three now that we've placed in um rural communities in the United States. One is in an Indian reservation um in Sholo, one is in an Indian reservation in New York, and one is in a little tiny rural town in Minnesota. And they're saving babies and they're saving girls, and they're seeing abortion pill reversals. And so it's time for them to not, you know, what's gonna happen, Jacob, is and it's already started, and I said three years ago it was going to start, they're gonna start dying. The pregnancy centers are gonna start dying if they don't have medical. And everybody's like, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I'm serious. What's gonna happen is that girl is gonna take the abortion pill, she's gonna walk into that clinic thinking she can get an ultrasound, they don't have that, and she's gonna go back to Planned Parenthood. End of story. And we have to stop that.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:04

So I think the if if our if a podcast had like you know a word of the day, it would be accessibility. That would be what we're talking about here, is making ultrasounds accessible. I love it. Um and so and if so, for those who are listening who have the ultrasound in the closet, contact Carla to get it out of your closet and into operation. Um for those who don't have an ultrasound and a small budget, contact Carla and get connected with someone's closeted ultrasound machine. And and for those who are in that transition, um, we did a podcast recently about baby Oliver and baby Olivia um through live action and use footage, you know, you know, as an alt uh as a transitional piece until you get access to that ultrasound service, and then help women date their pregnancies to know far how far along they are and provide true medical insight um in order to well help them know where they are and if they have, you know, and what the status of their pregnancy is. And there's so many resources with people who are passionate about that training and education. Um, and so there's, yeah. But yeah, so Carl, I'm excited. This is really, really good. And and it and a lot of people feel like um it's just out of reach. But it's really not, it maybe it's be a matter of having that network and connection with someone who can help with an accessible um set of services and equipment.

SPEAKER_05 13:46

Right, 100%. And um, I had a phone call, and this is kind of it's a God thing, total God thing. God incidents is what I call them. Um, yesterday I get a phone call from Kirk Walden, who was in a pregnancy center in Auburn, Alabama, and she called me and we had a conversation, and she says, We have an ultrasound we'd like to get rid of. We it's in the closet. And I gave her two options. They said, Well, we can figure out how to send it to a developing country. And a lot of times the bigger ones, it just takes a long time, money, they have to be created. It's doable, and they can do it if they want. Um, they'll have to help that international because usually it's about $2,000, and we don't have that. And so uh, so they can ship them. And so that that's a doable thing. And then we also have pregnancy centers in the United States that are rural. And so I said, Do you have a couple rural pregnancy centers? She's actually praying over the that this weekend that if she they have a couple rural that aren't medical. And she's like, How do we come alongside them and partner with them, give them the ultrasound? Now they have a network or a resource. A lot of states are starting coalitions. There's one in Michigan, there's one in Mississippi, there's one in Texas, uh, there's one in Montana, but we have, you know, we're 13 pregnancy centers in a big state. But they're there. Find a coalition, connect to that, and go medical. Because if we don't go medical, we're gonna die. Yeah. So she's she's gonna actually call me on Monday and decide whether the board wants to send it to a developing country or whether they're gonna partner with a local pregnancy center and give me a call back, and then we're gonna network um how to get them trained and how to get a um an ultrasound machine. So yeah, God's good.

SPEAKER_07 15:33

Well, yeah. So for those who are listening, if someone feels inspired to either give an ultrasound machine or to reach out to Go Medical, um, yeah, please reach out to me. And I'd like to do a follow-up episode with you and Carla, and we'll explore how that went and let people listen in on the adventure and the journey that you're going on. Um so Carla, on your website, there's a there's a Bible verse on there, and I was hoping you could speak to it. It says, You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives. Genesis 5020. So, yeah, what inspired, how does that verse inspire or connect with Flutter?

SPEAKER_05 16:18

So when uh God gave me that verse, uh, I didn't understand it because I had just been widowed with four kids. And I'm like, my husband died, you're giving me the scripture about people alive, I don't get it. How does that even work? And within six months, and this is how God works, and it's I'm dyslexic and I have a really hard time memory. I can tell you, I can quote scripture, but I can't tell you where they came from. And for that some reason, I just Genesis 5020 just has never left me. I was giving it to it. So he passed away. And I actually wrote a book about that. It's on Amazon called Waiting, a story of God timing. If you want to read it, it's on Amazon. It's also on my website if you want to read the story. Um, he was missing for five weeks. Uh it was pretty crazy. And but God gave me that scripture. And six months later, I was the director of a pregnancy center saving babies from abortion. So, what got what Satan intended to harm me, God intended it for good, for what is now being done, the saving of many lives. And so that's just kind of followed me all the way through. And flutter um is also saving many lives. And so it's just kind of my verse. So awesome.

SPEAKER_07 17:29

So what when it c what what's the smallest ultrasound unit you have helped find a new home for?

SPEAKER_05 17:36

You want to see it?

SPEAKER_07 17:37

Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:38

Okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_07 17:40

I'll describe it for those who are um listening because it yeah, there's a video version of this, but there's also many people may just listen to the podcast.

SPEAKER_05 17:48

So for the pregnancy centers that want to go medical and just want a little ultrasound, it's they're called a V scan. There's also one that Mindray makes now. I don't remember what it's called. Um and uh this is the whole entire ultrasound machine.

SPEAKER_07 18:04

Oh my goodness, it's like the size of a phone or a cell phone.

SPEAKER_05 18:09

And it talks to an iPad. And I'm gonna share this because I this is something that God gave me a while ago, and I I think other people are starting to steal it, like Kirk Walden did the other day. They're starting to steal it. But so it talks to the iPad. Okay. When you're in a pregnancy center, sorry, I'm not at a desk, so I'm just having to throw things everywhere. Here's the ultrasound. You're at a pregnancy center. She won't look at the TV, right? She won't even look at the ultrasound screen. But if you say, Hey, can you hold this? She's holding it. Nurse is doing the ultrasound. She's holding her baby. She bonds. She doesn't abort because she's holding her baby. That's that I should have what's that called? I own that. I made that up, but now people are using it all over the place. It's all good. It's all about God. But yeah, so this is the ultrasound.

SPEAKER_07 19:09

It's good uh for well, it's a compliment. When if if Kirk Walden and others are taking that idea that language, that's a good compliment of you know where it came from.

SPEAKER_05 19:18

Exactly. So yeah, so they're holding it.

SPEAKER_07 19:21

Well it's a boyfriend. If the boyfriend's there in that room, he could hold it. And then boy, that would just be so impactful.

SPEAKER_05 19:27

They're so used to holding technology that when you put an iPad in their hand, they just automatically hold it. They're not gonna they don't have to look up, which takes effort to look at the screen or right, but they when you just hand them an iPad, here can you hold this? Well, look, there's your baby. Done. Anyway, so yeah, so that this is an iPad. That's why they're that I mean this is uh this is why we sent them to developing countries. We carried 40 of these in our carry-ons because they both have lithium batteries in them and they can't go into the plane. So they have to be a s a box of eggs in your carry-on.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:13

Yeah. But the pregnancy centers here we have three, I know there's three pregnancy centers in the United States that are using that ultrasound. So hopefully um, we're starting to get some feedback on how well that's working. I know in developing countries they love it because it Bluetooth it doesn't need internet, the batteries charge at their house, so they don't have to leave it at their set their pregnancy center because a lot of ultrasounds will disappear.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 20:42

And uh they just put it in their person and take it with them. So it works both ways. I think the pregnancy centers here. Um, if they can just get used to just handing her that iPad, it's gonna save way more babies. And I think the bigger pregnancy center, you know, I've been saying this for a long time, and I think people are finally getting it. And I and I'm not faulting anybody who did this, but you don't need a sixty thousand dollar machine to do three things. Where is the baby? How far along is it? Is it alive? Those are the only things they're allowed to do. We do not need a sixty thousand dollar ultrasound machine to do three things. And the prices have come down. I think some of them are about twenty-five now that are they're just as good. Uh but you know, the those I we can buy one of those for five three thousand five hundred dollars.

SPEAKER_07 21:31

Yeah. Well, the idea of recycling or you know, using used ultrasound machines uh is such an attractive idea to to keep keep it on mission.

unknown 21:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 21:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:42

It's what whatever God's gonna do, I love it both, you know. Some of them, some of the rural some of the rural pregnancy centers, um, one of them's on an inning reservation. So I don't even know if they have a center. So she goes to the girls. So having a handheld iPad is gonna be way more accessible. We also have um anti-trafficking um anti-trafficking pregnancy centers that are in bigger countries bigger cities then they'll use the hand holds because some of them are actually invited into um like the raids where they'll go and get the traffic girls out of a a saloon or a bar or a hotel whatever they're in and um they make sure they're all not they don't have to take a blood test they don't have to have a urine test they just make sure they're all not pregnant um with that ultrasound so yeah it's it's just it's a God thing it's so cool awesome so wow it's such a it's just an exciting story and I'm hoping that people will provide feedback and so maybe we could do a follow-up episode based on questions or thoughts and ideas and so and it seems like this is an example of using innovation um innovation based on resources that are available but yet not currently being used.

SPEAKER_07 22:56

What are your thoughts about just you know being creative and innovative with what we already have um with you know just using the the machine in the closet you know can you just how does that inspire you or how do you know how can we look for new ways to be innovative and creative like that?

SPEAKER_05 23:13

Well I think that there's 700 if there's 700 pregnancy centers in the United States that aren't medical and let's say we're gonna have to be really innovative because my heart would be within a year or two they're all medical because that's where these girls are dying from taking the abortion pill. And so getting one out of the closet we also one of the things that we need to change and I okay so I'm gonna say this in love boards we we need to say this in love. Handing out diapers is great and that is a resource they need but seeing the baby in the womb is the key to saving that baby and that girl's life which one is more important? I believe the resources are important but I believe that saving that baby and seeing that baby. So we need the boards to be flexible enough to see that going medical is doable it doesn't have to cost a huge amount of money and it's not as scary as it used to be I mean I remember we were scared in the beginning and 20 years ago and you know why we were scared and you can I've said this before and I know people have sold this but I'm pretty sure I'm the first one that said it. Planned parenthood took the word abortion away from the pregnancy center. We were afraid to use the word for 15 years, right? Were we not? We were afraid to use the word abortion in the pregnancy centers because we were afraid Planned Parenthood was going to come and hurt us. We knew God was bigger but we didn't use the word abortion we do now thanks to live action and Kristen Hawkins and just all of you know everything that we're doing thanks to Heartbeat and Carnet the just the all of the things and being in the news more right but it they took that word away and because of that everybody got scared. And so it's we it we it God is not a God of fear. God is a fear God is a God of innovation and creativity and what is it going to take for that medical that pregnancy center to go medical do you need to raise another $50,000? Great, let's do it. Do you need an ultrasound? Great do you need a nurse? Pray for it God is opening up doors like crazy every time I talk to a pregnancy center here in the United States that's ready to go medical God just goes open open open open open and because it's been closed the board and sometimes it's the board wants to go and the director doesn't so I mean we're talking to the whole scheme of directors and boards it's time to go medical what is it going to take because the girls are dying in your community. Babies are dying in your community girls are dying in your community because there's no ultrasound. End of story. So we have to be creative we have to just trust God that this is what he wants us to do and do it. You know when I started Flutter there was I told a bunch of you know head people um in the industry that um I was going to start sending ultrasounds to developing countries and they told me you can't do that. We tried it doesn't work God told me all of them I don't know what that meant. I don't know if that means all the ones in the closet if it means until I'm 85 I I don't know but he said all the ultrasound machines all of them and I believe that and so we have to we have to just trust that he has a plan. And the people who told me I couldn't do it now that we're 262 ultrasounds in realize that God said all and that's where we're going.

SPEAKER_07 26:57

So yeah I can imagine um a state coalition knowing every pregnancy center and pregnancy clinic in their area and knowing who who needs to go medical or who needs an ultrasound machine and wants to go medical and also knowing who has ultrasound machines and maybe updating them or replacing them with newer different equipment and and so yeah that state coalition uh leader yeah could really connect with your group to help facilitate in that you know with that networking of local clinics helping local clinics reducing on shipping and also increasing local support between clinics and centers. 100% yeah 100% what are some of the reasons why someone why why a PC clinic would update their ultrasound equipment you know so I do agree the technology moves faster than we could ever imagine.

SPEAKER_05 28:00

You know when I saw iRobot I said no way and now you know and now we have AI and we have robots and so uh yeah and so we know that that was a hap, you know thing. But um I think that uh you know we have amazing ministries also so Heartbeat focus focus on the family heartbeat international and um Knights of Columbus are really really good and amazing at making sure the ultrasounds that are in the buildings that are saving babies especially like if they're doing you know a hundred a week um that ultrasound's you know number one they need two right because that you can't do a hundred a week with one so a lot of centers they'll grow and they'll have to have two because they just can't keep up and um I know some of the pregnancy centers in Dallas have more than two and and they're busy. And so I just think it has to do with the need and whether or not um how old the machine is you know what we don't take a flutter won't put an ultrasound machine somewhere that if it's over 10 years old. Why? Because the technology is just not as accurate. So if I can get one that's three years old versus one that's 10 years old, I'm gonna go for the three year old machine. And so Knights of Columbus is really good at making sure those machines that they have placed don't get out of date. But when they're out of date and they're five years old and they're in a big huge medical clinic that's using it a lot versus putting it in a closet when they get the new one and giving it to a pregnancy center who's maybe going to do 30 or 40 a year. Is that okay if they save one baby? Yes. Now the other trick to that is those nurses need to stay up on their training. That's also one of the one of the semi negatives that we've run into is we put the ultrasound in a deb in a rural country or rural country in a rural area in Montana in Montana let's say and they're only doing 30 or 40 a year they have to keep up on their skills. There are two or three different ultrasound companies in the United States and we can get you their names that have free I don't know if it's once a week once a month training where you can go through hey this is if you found this this is what an uptopic pregnancy looks like let's research let's watch this let's do this class. So they're doing classes with these women so those are going to become way more important as we move forward because those rural centers aren't going to be doing you know 200 they're gonna be doing or they're not going to be doing five a week they're gonna be doing two a week or three a week which is still worth saving that baby and a lot of them are only going to do ultrasounds on Wednesday or on Monday or whatever works for their community. Some of them are probably going to do ultrasounds on Saturday because that's when the girls don't have school. And so I think we just need to be creative. We don't have to be open 40 hours a week and we don't have to have full medical staff to have an ultrasound machine. We just need to we have to follow the laws and follow the rules and follow our policy and make sure our policy's right but we don't have to have five medical degrees and $225,000 to do it.

SPEAKER_07 31:33

Yeah so so speaking of clinics in a rural area where they they where someone really wants to get more volume of of activity or scans uh what options might there be for her to get more scans more activity more practice more more volume of scans in order to hone in and keep her skills sharp so in the United States that's funny you should ask that question Jacob in the United States some pregnancy centers only do two ultrasounds for that girl now granted we're only allowed to say how far along is it where is it at and is it alive?

SPEAKER_05 32:11

If we're only allowed to say those things and we're not allowed to tell them what they're having, we're not but we can find anomalies. So if there's something wrong that's why we have a doctor right that's that's gonna do that. So in in that space okay Jacob I was going somewhere what was the question again I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_07 32:28

So the question was yeah how can someone get more volume or traffic like in my mind I was imagining in a rural clinic she might need to go to the to the neighboring busier clinic in order to volunteer there too to get more to get more client that's a huge idea that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 32:47

I love that you know we we had two clinics for a while and we shared nurses. They went back and forth right so um have a nurse manager that's paid and you have four nurses that are volunteers and they work one day a week and they go back and forth a hundred percent the other way is in the United States that's where I was headed in the United States we say that we're only going to do two maybe three ultrasounds. There is absolutely and I I'm not medical and maybe we need to ask we have we need to ask Connie if if I if it's allowed to say this or not but I'm pretty sure you could do an ultrasound a week and it's not going to hurt anything. In Uganda the girls that are at um remnant generation and they have some of our ultrasound machines and they actually bring girls out of trafficking and uh Annabelle and I are are close friends and they have some ultrasounds and they do an ultrasound on these girls a week. The reason is number one to keep up on how they're the skills. Number two and the main thing is most of these girls have had huge trauma to their bodies and we're just not how we're not sure how well she's gonna carry. And so they um keep really close tabs on how well that baby's doing and the only way to do that is ultrasound. So those girls actually come in weekly and get an ultrasound. There's no proof that you can't do that. Now I'm not saying she's gonna come in weekly but you could do her monthly and maybe for up till she's you know once she gets maybe do them monthly until she gets her OBG I mean we want her to get an OBGYN and we want her to get her doctor or a mid how is you know and we want to plug her in and make sure that we have those resources for her. But there's nothing that says we can't do more than one ultrasound either. And so but I do love the whole training thing there so they can train they can go to a neighboring town and get more ultrasounds one day a week which is beautiful. I mean it's probably not I'd have to ask Alabama what how far those centers are but I don't think they're very far. I mean our neighboring town's 45 minutes and that's where we had our other pregnancy center. And I I drove that in dumping snow um multiple times because that's where our other pregnancy center was. And so doing a drive for 45 minutes one day a week to catch up on ultrasounds, I love that. So I think there's multiple ways that they can make sure go volunteer at the hospital. Go, I mean, you know, so uh yeah I think that there's definitely multiple ways to do that but I love you know we definitely need to make sure that we're brainstorming we're connecting we're networking you know maybe we start you know I was kind of joking the other day I was like what we need is a heartbeat for the rural community they're not gonna they don't have the income to go to heartbeat every year. Sometimes they know it exists but they don't get to go because it costs realistically three to four thousand dollars by the time you buy your ticket and your travel and your hotel and your plane and your food it's about three four thousand dollars. And so the pregnancy centers if their budget's not 225000 they don't have that. And so is there a way to make a you know cheaper heartbeat basically for the rural communities that maybe is all online that maybe they could come to heartbeat you know I know in Heartbeat does allow which is huge and CareNet both of them have you know you can watch you can go to heartbeat on you can go to heartbeat in your office on your computer. And so they we have that option now. I think more training and the more training training's never bad and so I think that that is a you know great thing too. Yeah and if and um yeah so and Glory and I don't know you know so Gloria speaking about oh go ahead Gloria is about to do an article on me. Um I'm just waiting for my new headshots because I don't know if anybody knows me from before but I don't look anything like I used to uh at all. Um maybe maybe I'm how still have the same loud voice. Everyone knows the voice more than the more than the face. But uh because I've heard people go, I heard you but I didn't know it was you. Uh yeah so but anyway um she's gonna do something and so Jacob maybe we could even connect this podcast because one of her things one of the things we're gonna be talking about with ambassadors is reaching those smaller pregnancy centers that are rural. And so if we could connect the two and connect that to my page at Ambassador and then we could send it out that way too I don't know how that all works.

SPEAKER_07 37:22

I'm not a techie person but um well I'll send you a link to the the podcast and you're welcome to send it to Gloria or whoever you use it however you would like and you're not required to promote it but you're welcome to yeah no that'd be awesome. So we did a webinar Wednesday a few days ago or last week with uh Sherry Richard with Unborn and she's starting up an online training program called Shine for ultrasound training. And one of the things that she also said during that webinar Wednesday was I believe it was the amniotic sac that would grow by one millimeter I believe it was per day. And so one of the and she one of the things that she said was if you can't see if you scan early and you don't see the sack or the circle you know if you scan again in three days it'll be two or three millimeters larger and it'll make it easier to see. And so there's a real purpose in scanning a few days later if you don't see something that you were expecting to see. Because if there you know then you can also confirm that growth and so on. And so there's a real you know and she gave a medical reason for doing that additional scan a few days later based on the growth making something easier to see based on what's expected and she went over like placement and a lot of really good insight. And then on another point you mentioned of the virtual conference so yeah Carinet Heartbeat have their virtual trainings and I believe Heartbeat has some virtual trainings throughout the year but then there's also like you know the state conferences are amazing for that in-person local experience which is cheaper on travel at least and usually cheaper on the hotel side because it's a smaller area. And then uh Heritage House with Brandon Monahan they're starting a new virtual um training and I didn't know that that's awesome. It's actually focused on the rural communities because that's those are the ones who have the hardest time making it to the national talking about I got to stop talking to people Jacob well the one that told Brandon that the idea is I mean sometimes God you know actually didn't tell Brandon I told Dina because Dinah Dinah Monaghan's the one that has the ultrasound for the ultra for the pregnancy center on the show reservation.

SPEAKER_05 39:45

Yeah handheld and so that's that's that's a flutter God thing. So yeah so it's that wasn't it's actually not Brandon it's Dinah. Dinah's yeah but it's all good.

SPEAKER_07 39:58

Wait and well that in the website they've got their website up it's centers together.com and Dina's one of the speakers um along with several other people that was my idea thanks Dinah one of the goals is accessibility it's making it accessible people who because the travel there's a there's a real expense to the time travel and and we want we want them to feel important we want them to feel heard we want them to feel like they if they're heard and they're important just like the girls are heard and they're important these rural pregnancy centers need to be heard and are important. And I personally prefer the in-person experience because there's some there's there's a real value with looking at someone face to face instead of Zoom. And there's a spending time eating and maybe we help them raise money for that.

SPEAKER_05 40:48

You know?

SPEAKER_07 40:48

Yeah and so I would I don't want to minimize you know premium I agree but a lot of them just can't yeah there's more accessible options that um make it so you can still get trained even though it may not be as you know it won't be as personable or in real life yeah it's it's virtual and remote 100% yep yep this is really good. So Carla so out of curiosity and this is just my brainstorming brain looking for new topics to talk about but have you ever helped a pregnancy clinic recycle anything beyond the ultrasound machine like is there any other equipment that would fall into that oh we could help someone else use that you know I don't I don't know um I don't know I know that I mean the STI equipment is pretty affordable um and a lot of the pregnancy centers are partnered with even though we don't love partnering with the city or the state they're partnering with them because they'll run most of the tests for free because the city also or the state doesn't want someone with herpes running around town.

SPEAKER_05 41:59

And so there's a lot of networking that can happen in the STI space. And then uh you know and what about tablets for iPads if the price clinic has iPads no they're so cheap now they're like 250 bucks 200 bucks so I mean I get what you're saying I totally do.

SPEAKER_07 42:21

Just brain forming the main I think what they need to share though Brandon I mean Brandon I just think about Brandon um Jacob I think that they need my head I think more than equipment more than all of the those physical resources I believe that they need emotional prayer resources um one of the things that I hear from rural pregnancy centers a lot is we feel like we're all alone and I'm like if a healthy clinic a clinic that's got the healthy budget the healthy team maybe they could adopt someone that's in that growth stage or in that earlier stage of you know trying to get to a certain level.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

Yeah Jarel me and Jarell have had that from heartbeat um we've had that conversation multiple times about pregnancy centers some pregnancy centers in the United States have adopted a pregnancy center but it's in Ghana or South Africa or which is awesome. Don't get me wrong that's amazing um but what if we adopt one that's in the next town yeah you know yeah so I think that's a I think you know I think and I love the the I know that um Connie, no, what is her name? Carolyn Carolyn from Michigan um with life matters yes yeah yeah life matters worldwide life matters whatever life matters worldwide their goal was to start the coalition in Michigan and now they're helping other states start coalitions for that reason. Miss Mississippi's had one for a really long time I went and smoked there. Florida has one. So it would be interesting to kind of find out, like you said, it would be really interesting to find out where are the coalitions. So if you're part of one, let us know. How many do you have your whole state? Or are there pregnancy centers that they aren't part of the coalition? And is the reason they're not part of the coalition because they're not medical and they don't feel important enough? And is there a way to help come alongside them instead of letting them fall through the cracks?

SPEAKER_07 44:31

Yeah. And then so I I've been going to the Alliance for Life in Missouri uh State Conference for probably 15 years or something like that. And for a while there were groups from the neighboring states. Like I can remember Kansas a few clinics would come from Kansas to the Alliance for Life Missouri conference. And then they stopped going to the Missouri conference when Kansas started their own state coalition and had their own group and uh annual event. And so I would just like to encourage people to if you don't have a state coalition, go to your neighboring state and do go to their coalition. And then someday when you have your own, you can switch to just go into your own state's coalition.

SPEAKER_04 45:17

But if you don't have one, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:24

Go to Idaho or Utah or yeah. Yeah, for sure. Because you're still gonna get you're not gonna feel alone. And so I think one of the things we need to be innovative, but we also need to help them know that they're they're not alone and that um they're important.

SPEAKER_07 45:41

Yeah. Well that's really good, Carla. I think I think that's this is a good episode. Any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_05 45:50

Any final thoughts? Um I mean, you know, I think we've covered it multiple times. I just if you know of a pregnancy center that's rural, that's struggling, if you know of um an ultrasound that's in the closet, uh, if you need, you know, I'm not the only speaker that can speak on helping you go medical, um, but I would love to help you. Um my heart is there. And so uh because when I was, you know, I started when I started my pregnancy center, we were we're a rural community. We had we were seeing 20 girls a year and our budget was 20,000. And now they're on campus with a half a million dollar budget and seeing 500 girls a year. And so it's worth saving because the numbers are there. When when I went to Minnesota, um this is this is maybe something to leave everyone with. When I went to Minnesota, she got a hold of the okay, now I don't remember the people who in the United States Jake up that do the statistics for for Christian ultrasound pregnancy center. How come I can't think of it now? They they do the statistics for everybody. Or is that a Mosier Institute? She realized that because they didn't have an ultrasound machine, they were missing to four girls a month.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 47:20

And so one of the things that we did at her banquet was let's save those other four because they weren't coming to them. Why are they not coming to them because they don't have an ultrasound? And so if you're missing girls and you're in a rural community and your heart is that you don't miss any of them, then it's time to go medical.

SPEAKER_02 47:45

Yeah. Well, that's good.

SPEAKER_05 47:47

And you can find those statistics for your area.

SPEAKER_07 47:49

So Yeah, and and I just want to encourage, you know, if you're in a rural clinic, you know, partnering with a busy clinic can help provide maybe some volunteer time to get more scanning in. And yeah, that busier clinic may need some relief. Um because they're often you know, some clinics are just very busy because they're in a highly populated urban area and they they uh they could use that relief from a you know with an additional um nurse who's looking to get more traffic. I think that's a great idea. Also just connecting with Aplog and connecting with Aplog about you know ways to uh to navigate some of these questions and problems. Aplog has such an amazing team of uh medical professionals and they deal with questions like this, I would expect all the time.

SPEAKER_04 48:34

Yep, for sure. That's a great idea.

SPEAKER_07 48:36

Well Carla, thank you so much for being on here. Would you um close out our podcast with a prayer and we'll yeah, I'll pray along with you.

SPEAKER_05 48:46

I would love to. Dear Heavenly Father. Oh my goodness, I'm in just in awe every time you move a mountain, every time you save a baby, every time we see the flutter of a heartbeat. And Lord, we know that um we know that there are rural communities out there, rural pregnancy centers out there, Lord, that are right now contemplating do we go medical? What does that look like? How do we do it? Can we do it? Are we important enough? And I just want you to let them know yes. Lord, I just lift them all up to you. I lift up the medical, I lift up the staff, I lift up all of the girls that are in those rural communities, Lord, that need you. And Lord, I think there's so many things going on in our country right now that are legal and all of the things that you that you know exactly, but abortion isn't coming to the forefront. And the pregnancy centers are being a light in the darkness. So Lord, I'm so thankful for that. Thankful for Jacob, thankful for iRapture and all that they do, and and the podcasts, and the webinars, and the websites, and just Lord, his heart is just to save more babies. And so, Lord, I just ask that you be with his team as they move forward. And uh just Lord, be with be with us today, and Lord help us to know how to glorify you and all that we say and all that we do. In Jesus' name.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

Amen. Awesome. Thank you, Carla.

SPEAKER_05 50:12

Thank you, Jacob. Thank you so much. And let me know if you need anything else. And then once you have the link, I'll send it to Gloria while you get my hair.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

And I see you a spirit. Swell and cloud feeling yourself away. You have said the stars for me. Announcing your mates. When I case on me.