SPEAKER_00 4:59

Welcome to the Pro Life Team podcast. I'm Jacob and I'm here with Carla. Uh Carla, um hey. So uh we were you mentioned that you wanted to do a podcast about uh helping privacy clinics uh with the stop the trafficking protocol. Tell us tell us about this uh service that your group is um helping clinics with.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

Okay, so in about 10 years ago-ish, I was went to Africa and I saw trafficking in South Africa firsthand in the middle of the afternoon, and there was a whole street of girls and a whole street of cars, and you drive they drove, they drive down the street, pick the girl, pay the pimp, and go into this really awful looking blue and black half burnt down hotel all day long. And a lot of the pregnancy center, thank the Lord, is right down the street and they get a lot of those girls repeat over and over. And I was like, oh my gosh, gosh, that's just what am I supposed to do with that, Lord? And I get home and I'm invited to an anti-trafficking conference, and I went, Well, I'm gonna go to that because I was I just saw it firsthand, and so I get to the to the one in Bozeman and trafficking's in my backyard. And it's in your backyard, and it's in everybody's backyard. And 75% of the people that are being trafficked aren't actually being trafficked by a pen. They're being trafficked by their own family, their foster family, their aunt, their cousin, sometimes their mom. And I had no idea. So I just kind of really dove deep into what does that look like for Bozeman? What does that look like? How do I keep my grandkids safe? What what do I need to do with all of this? And it was just really crazy. And my cousin, Lorelyn, who is um she wrote Choose Zoe, she actually is writing another book. And actually, Jacob, you need to talk to her because she could be on your podcast. She's working with she's helping people um with the kids who are getting traffic from their phones.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:17

So there's all kinds of right trafficking. So I was like, okay, Lord, when am I supposed to do this? And then I kept seeing this girl that came through my center that I could built a relationship with. And I kept seeing her. And I went into the pregnancy center and I said, Um, I don't work there anymore. And I just said, Hey Cindy, do you remember this girl?

SPEAKER_03 7:39

Yeah, and I said, let me tell you all the warning signs. She was trafficked. I could have got her safe. I had no idea. A lot of pregnancy centers have no idea.

SPEAKER_04 7:54

It's out there, and and believe me, five five years ago to now, we're a lot more aware than we were before that trafficking is coming through our centers. And I was just asking the Lord, okay, Lord, what am I supposed to do with this? And he downloaded I wrote really fast. He downloaded this thing called yellow light, red light, green light. Stop the traffic. And most pregnancy centers that do have anti-trafficking protocol have a some kind of dot in the bathroom, which is amazing. If you're in danger, put a red dot. If you're not, put a black dot. But what about if they are but they're not ready to tell you yet because you haven't built a relationship with them? So that's where the yellow dot comes in. And so I wrote protocol that goes in the bathroom and stop the tra um Safe House Project heard about it. And they are the na one of the national leaders in anti-trafficking. And they put my protocol actually on their national website. Uh it's now in lit it's got a link in NIFL's book if you need the protocol. It's free. It doesn't cost you anything. And uh I will train if you have questions. I am always available. And I just dove in, I joined the Gall Gallatin Cali Anti-Tra Gallatin Valley Anti-Trafficking Human Task Force. They have a new name now. I don't know what it is because I haven't been in it about three years. But uh I just joined I just wanted to know more. And I wrote the protocol and pregnancy centers. I've trained it, I've taught it at Heartbeat, I've taught it at Kernet, I've taught it internationally, and the proto so the the videos are there and it's just protocol that like gives you the warning signs, especially because the nurses are gonna see a lot more in the in the ultrasound room than the the counselor's gonna see because a lot of times they're tattooed, they're branded, uh and so there's all kinds of communication, like ways to communicate with them. If you think she's being trafficked, uh you know, have her go pee in the cup. And then there's a sign in there because you can't tell her because a lot of times there might. But if it is a real pimp or even the mom who's trafficking her, um they're listening to the conversation through the phone, usually through the cell phone. So they go into the bathroom and they see a sign that says if you're in danger, put a red dot. If you're not sure, but you want to talk to somebody, put a yellow dot. And if you're fine, put a green dot. And pregnancy centers, I've got some some of the protocol I know I taught in the um in Las Cruces on the border uh Mexico and United uh the United States. And they actually when I taught there, they started this one lady goes, I'm seeing girls that I should have got safe. I said, let that put a fire underneath you. Don't feel bad that you didn't because you didn't know. Now you do let it put a fire underneath you and use this protocol in your pregnancy centers. So Heart Heartbeat has approved it, Caradin has approved it, NIFLA has approved it, it's on my website, it's it's under Flutter's website. If you just go to programs and click stop the traffic, click the free link and it will download the free protocol for you. That's that.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Wow. Interesting. Tell us tell us more about the dot. So is that going on to like a small form or are they putting the dot on like a urine cup or what's the thing? On the urine cup.

SPEAKER_04 11:35

So they'll have the dots and the sign in the bathroom that says, you know, put a dot. Sometimes they'll use a marker. Uh it just depends. When I first taught this, I was using red and yellow and green solo cups because they're pretty visual, but they're not going to pee in a solo cup, right? So yeah, they're just they just go on a specimen cup.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Interesting. So tell us more about why someone would want to include this in their their center's um skill set and training and um and then go into what's involved with going through the training and getting trained with with these skills.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

So in the United States, we're all mandatory reporters if we're a pregnancy center. So if the girl is under 18, it is our job to get her safe. Uh if she's over 18, she's necessarily not considered trafficked but we know she is. But legally, if she's under 18, she's trafficked. Some states, however, have changed those age limits, and a lot of states are becoming much more aware of the trafficking going through their state. And um what I tell the pregnancy center is find out if your town or city area has a task force. There was a grant that went out through the US government um for pregnancy for police departments to start anti-trafficking protocol. However, some of them didn't. That money's still sitting there if they didn't. Find out who's running it, if they don't have one, start one. It's a meeting a month. And you just start bringing in people because we know if if the statistics are that one out of every four girls is somehow being trafficked. Now, some of that, Jacob, is she's not really necessarily in love with a boyfriend, but she's sleeping with him because she he puts a roof over her head and he feeds her. But he holds a pretty tight rein on her. That's trafficking. She is doing something against her will to make someone else happy. And so the the there's a lot of gray, but the pregnancy centers already know how to give hope. The pregnancy centers already know how to get girls safe because we get them safe from abortion all the time. They're already completely equipped. All you need to know is the warning signs. And why wouldn't you want to help more pregnant people? Right? I mean, if she's being trafficked and she's pregnant, um, one of the other really sad things I don't like talking about um is that uh they a girl who's actually being trafficked lasts about seven years and her body just gives out. They're calling them anchor babies. They allow them to come to the pregnancy center because the pregnancy center's gonna see them whether or not they have an ID. A lot of times they don't even know where they were born, but they have someone speaking for them, the protocol is full of what to look for. But what happens is if she's about ready to be used up, let's say she's got two or three more years left, he'll let her have a couple of babies and then she'll disappear and then he traffics the babies. Trafficking can start as early as under one year old.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04 15:19

And it's it's out there. And so we need to get them safe, and we need to get them safe. And you know, one of the things I say in the protocol, and I'll say this really is don't play you're not the police. Don't play police. Follow the protocol, find out what the laws are in your state, and get her safe. Um there's um you can they can text be free if the state doesn't have a 1-800 trafficking number, a lot of them do now, but if yours doesn't, you can text be free and they will answer you. And it is a hot national hotline. And what a lot of times is they're not gonna come and get her safe at your pregnancy center. Number one, it's gonna put your pregnancy center in danger. And number two, it puts her in danger. But what they say is they'll text her and say something like, When is the next time you're gonna be at Walmart? And then they will go and retrieve her from Walmart, and then the trafficker will have no idea that that came from the pregnancy center. So we want to keep your pregnancy center safe. Don't play God, don't play police, let them do their job, but figure out who you can trust and build a relationship with them in your community.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Wow. So what is what are some examples of the the training in order to tell if someone's being trafficked or in this situation?

SPEAKER_04 16:43

So there the tr the training, Jacob, realistically is really easy. I just walk them through the 13-page protocol that I wrote. It's very simple. Um, you can train yourself, like you could go on, go off, watch, read the protocol, and you would be trained in anti-trafficking protocol. The only difference would be you would just be trained to see her out at McDonald's, whereas the pregnancy center can actually see her in the pregnancy center in a very intimate setting where she's already kind of safe. You know, one of the rules that a lot of pregnancy centers have is we leave the boy and we leave the guy in the waiting room. It's another reason to leave anybody in the waiting room. Because if her aunt or her mom are trafficking her, she's not gonna reach out and ask for help if it's somebody that's close that that's you know in the in the room with her. So traffic, it's really simple, it's very easy. God just downloaded it, I didn't write it, I don't take credit for it. Uh and Safe House um made sure it was all accurate and then they put it on their website. So um Safe House Project is another place if you need resources. Um Heritage House actually made some videos or Safe House got their videos to Safe House. So there's multiple ways to um get trained. Just read the protocol and call me. Find your anti-trafficking task force. Have they will come if you have an anti-trafficking task force even within the next community or next county, they'll come train you. It's really intense, but they will come train you.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

So who is this who can use this training or what what are some different, you know, groups of people that could reasonably use this training and should explore it?

SPEAKER_04 18:35

Let's see, all pregnancy centers.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

Um 40 days for life. Anybody who is gonna run into a girl that's in crisis.

SPEAKER_04 18:47

Uh the prayer take 40 days for life, live, you know, anybody live anybody who needs anybody who needs to know. You know, um Safe House asked, and I know this was kind of an odd thing, but I was okay with it. Um, they asked if I could take God out of a copy so that they could get it to Planned Parenthood. Because quote unquote, they're mandatory reporters too. And we know that there's some gray area there, but I'm sure that, you know, if if someone saw a girl that was really being in traffic and being h in harm and they didn't and they weren't um working illegally, they would get her safe. So anybody that's in healthcare, anybody that's gonna see the girls, the um sidewalk counselors and advocates, um, they could see it too. Especially, you know, they might see it even more actually because she's gonna go to Planned Parenthood to get the abortion and she's gonna keep really close tabs on her. And so, you know, um, if you have if you're going to Planned Parenthood and you're praying outside of Planned Parenthood with 40 days and you see a guy who's, you know, really, really um what do they call it, helicoptering over this girl, um you know, she might not be in she might not be safe. So yeah. So pretty much anybody that works with uh teenage girls, adult girls, young girls, you know, we had one the girl that kept going through my mind, she was in her forties.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Wow. So based on some of the well, and I mean, based on like undercover research, Planned Parenthood is sometimes complicit with the situations. But I've also heard stories where there's individuals there who make you know make good decisions in the midst of working there or being there. And so you know, it's it's uh it's both. There's both present. Um I'm not sure what percent to even put on either side.

SPEAKER_04 20:46

Um I believe, you know, we're all an innately good, right? I mean, we don't, you know, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

What about um stickers? Stickers in bathrooms, bathrooms at the airport, bathrooms at restaurants or uh certainly around town.

SPEAKER_04 21:05

This is yeah, this is the and I say this all the time in my training. She doesn't have a phone she can use. Does that mean that she couldn't be in the bathroom, see the sign, borrow someone's phone, and get safe? You bet. A lot of times now it actually doesn't say um call this number, it says find airport security. Because the security that means that security team has been taught how to get her safe. Realistically, Jacob, I don't even know what the percentage is, but it's really low that they are gonna fly with them. Number one, they don't have identification. They don't have an ID unless or it's fake. They definitely don't have a passport. And so I love that the airports are taking initiative. I like the signs. They're not gonna take her through, they're gonna take her on a bus if they're gonna need her to go somewhere far. They're gonna drive her. Uh now does that mean that some have not got safe? I don't know. I hope so. But the signs and the stickers are um it's gonna do good, but not enough good.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

Yeah. I guess where you know, where does someone go when they're effectively a slave? Um they don't have the freedom to go to a restaurant, they don't have the freedom to travel via plane. It's gonna be the underground options. That makes that makes sense. I don't really think about that before.

SPEAKER_04 22:38

So I I love that the airports are taking initiative. I love that their people are trained. Um and and like I said, maybe they're gonna bring them, maybe they're bringing a couple in from van you know, from out of the country to China or something, and they bring them on the plane because they're already that culture, women are already really submissive. And so uh maybe out of from out of the country, but realistically that's just not gonna do what they do what they thought it was gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

So let's say uh someone who's in danger, um, they reach out or they they you know they make contact. What happens next?

SPEAKER_04 23:18

So if they put a red dot or a yellow dot on their cup, let's say that's how they reach out, or they come back or they just they let you know somehow that they text you on your text line, hey, I was in there today and I'm being held against my will. Could you help me? Um so in that space, um okay, Jacob, I went and I know where I was going. Where's what was the question?

SPEAKER_00 23:45

Yeah, the qu well the question was what happens next after someone puts down that yellow dot, red dot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:51

So what um so the lady who helped me write the protocol's name is Stephanie and she was trafficked, and she was actually saved from a pregnancy center in Idaho. And uh she has a son and she's married, and uh she helped write the protocol. But what she said was the pregnancy center has to keep putting a pebble in her shoe. She had to go back six or seven times before she felt safe enough to ask for help. So that pregnancy center, parenting class, parenting class that has initiatives because he's just not gonna let her go to class. But if it's free baby stuff that he doesn't have to buy, he might let her go to class. Um Bible studies, you know, embrace grace. I mean, I'm sure Amy has this protocol, you know. So um if they see a girl, uh so getting getting getting them identified as the first thing, and then following the protocol calling the police department. Um don't play police. Call your anti-trafficking task force. If they don't have one and you don't have one in your state, text be free and ask for help. Um some pregnancy centers that are in bigger rural, I mean bigger areas, San Francisco, New York, they'll actually have burn phones that they keep in their centers so that the girls can text be free and sit there during her appointment and get safe. Because she can't use her phone. We really don't want her using our phone. So um some pregnancy centers, it's like thirty-five bucks to have a burn phone in your building. And um you can get them at Walmart. And so that's not a bad idea either. Um just letting her be able to communicate and get safe. So there's lots of ways um to get her safe to take that next step. But the real reason the real thing is building, you know, pregnancy centers are really, really good at building relationships with these girls. And so that is the key. Get her to come back for an ultrasound and an ultrasound and an ultrasound, getting her to come back for STI testing, getting her to come back for a multiple of things. The more times you spend with her, the more time she's gonna trust you, and then she is gonna finally put a yellow or a red dot on that cup. Especially if you believe she's trafficked, figure out a way to have her come back and build that relationship with her.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Okay. So how do you respond to the false belief that someone might hear, I'm in a rural area, we don't get a lot of clients. Why should I take this training? I probably won't need it.

SPEAKER_04 26:30

They're traffic them through the rural areas. They're traffic them in the back door. If you have any kind of and most rural areas, they'll tell you, they'll they know where that freeway meets the freeway. Right? So they know um and in the rural areas, believe it or not, Jacob, if the statistics aren't any different whether you live in the city, whether you live in the country, or whether it's because per capita if if the ant in that town is trafficking or the foster mom or the foster uncle dad is tra and I'm I'm not talking again, I'm not against foster care. Let me get that right. I love I love I believe that we're fixing it. I believe it was broken. But there are a lot of foster care that um traffic the kids. So then yeah, so just get them get them safe, make that phone call.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

And what's the common objection that someone would have, you know, let's say in a bigger city, like what what might someone think that would keep them from exploring this, and then how would you refute it or expl or respond to it?

SPEAKER_04 27:35

So far I haven't had anyone say they didn't like or want to use the protocol. So I I don't know how I would respond. I think, okay, I mean it's your center. But um it's just e it's easy. I mean, you it's already downloaded there's nothing to it. You just you know, my nipple even says it should be in your policies and procedures now. So make a copy, read it, all you really have to do is read it. And you're trained.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

So it and it couldn't include women that are life-minded, I mean likely to carry, right?

SPEAKER_04 28:07

100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

Yeah. So this is that's interesting because my my first inclination would have been, oh, the women who are abortion vulnerable, abortion-minded, at risk of choosing abortion would be the ones to look for, but your comment about the anchor baby changed the the you know, the need to assess the likely to carry life-minded client, which normally I would put into a safe category, but you know, you've just brought it back into there's a risk here.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

The girl that I kept seeing um she was in her forties she let he let her get pregnant. Um he wanted her to abort at first and then let her choose life. She's eighteen now. And so that was that was eighteen years ago. And she wanted it, she was ready to parent. She didn't want to abort. She was being pressured to abort in the beginning, but she chose life and was supported in that. So yeah. It it's scary.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

Is there is there an element of like is there an element of like sex preference? So like they want to find out the gender of the, you know, the sex of the baby, but you know, you know, no?

SPEAKER_04 29:25

I don't think so, no. Um boys are trafficked too at age one. Just like girls.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

What does that look like for someone to be trafficked at such a young age? Like, is that I mean I mean, I can't I mean I'm having a hard time even fathoming what it's like.

SPEAKER_04 29:40

I so I I um because I was part of the task force, we had a lady that was in the task force that housed some of the girls that were um trafficked. And they had a girl that was in their home that had been trafficked since age four. Okay, Jacob, and this this is harsh and this is not a PG. Um they kept her in a crate. They fed her with a feeding tube, and the only time that she was allowed to come out of the room was when she was serving others. She got out when she was 30. She got safe, she somehow floop of a fluke of a floop, she didn't she didn't know any other life. She thought that was life. She thought that was normal. And they um when she's when they started taking care of her, she couldn't go in a bedroom with the door shut. She had to sleep in the living room with all the lights on. And um, she was trafficked from age four. So the trauma of that, will she ever be, you know, god can heal, you know, God God healed me, God heals sickness and trauma all the time. Can God heal that? You bet. And I know there are women out there who were trafficked at young ages who got healed, miraculously healed, the trauma was gone, and they live somewhat normal lives. But it takes a lot of work. You know, one of the things that I I have friends now that were trafficked and I always just say they have so much grit. They just they're just tough. They've shoved down their emotions for so long that they forgot they had any. You know, and a lot of a lot of the traffickers, if it's a trafficker, he'll use drugs. You know, we we have a um not not happy to say, but we have a uh strip club in our in our next town, not in our town, but in the next town. And one of the girls came to my pregnancy center and um she she her job at the strip club was to drug them enough to get on stage and dance, but not enough that they would fall over. And that was her job. And so these guys know exactly what kind of cocktail these girls need, what to get them addicted to, so that they can be submissive because they're they're wanting their next fix.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

Yeah, that's that's that's intense.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

It's deep and dark, it's very intense. I had people in my last training I did at Heartbeat, there was it was like fifty-five people. It was amazing. Um was that Heartbeat? Yeah, that was Heartbeat. And um we had a lot of people crying. I had grown men that were in that class that were like you, Jacob, had no idea. I mean, not that you didn't have any idea, but they had no idea. That's why they came to the class and they were blown away, you know, thinking about their daughters. And these were men that were ringing running pregnancy centers, and they're like and yeah, it's you know, a d do I like that deep dark world? No. Do I watch? Or, you know, I have like probably 10 books that I've been given from women who've been trafficked to telling their story. I can't even open the book. My heart is so tender, so the fact that he put me here and God had me see that and write the protocol is mind-boggling because I can't even watch R on TV. But my heart is pregnancy centers are already saving lives. They already know how. They're already positioned, and these girls are gonna come through their doors because they need to know what to do. That's why I wrote it.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Wow. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, that's they're gonna see a percent of these women that are trafficked, probably not a huge percent, but a percent.

SPEAKER_04 33:45

And remember, 75% of the percent aren't being trafficked by a pimp, they're being trafficked by someone in their family, grandma, aunt, foster care.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Yeah. Yeah. It is heavy.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Some definition. Yeah, some definition of manipulation versus caring for someone. Yeah. Wow. Well, I'm gonna change the tone here for a moment. So at our at my church, um we're on a new sermon series where we're working on one Bible verse at a time with the uh with uh the the connection to memorize really good Bible verses. And the the Bible verse from yesterday was Philippians 4, uh six and seven. And it goes, do not be anxious about anything, but in every in every situation, by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, present your request to God. And then seven, uh, and the peace of God which transcends all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. So it just seems like, yeah, what this is a very anxious anxiety produ well, a lot of anxiety-producing things in this world. Like, you know, what what's not anxiety producing, and that might be a better list. But this is definitely an anxiety-producing piece, and so boy, for those who are feeling that sweat or stress or whatever uh from this, you know, difficult topic, uh Philippians 4 says to um to pray and petition. So yeah, pray and ask, and then do it with Thanksgiving. That's the r and that's a healthy response. And then you'll be comforted with the peace of God.

SPEAKER_04 35:34

I love that. That's for sure. Yeah, we definitely need to bring God into all of it for sure.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

But yeah, that but that's also good for all the other things that give us anxiety, not just thinking about really hard situations involving children. But that obviously would make the list. Um Well, so where can someone you know, so you people can go to Flutter, uh Flutterink.org, and then you can click on stop the traffic under programs, stop the traffic, and and then there's a PDF download for all of you know this program, more information. You can reach out to Carla and um and consider adding this as a a skill, a skill to have better observation skills and a plan of action for reporting. It sounds like that's what's being offered, right?

SPEAKER_04 36:27

Yep. It's simple. It's a lot, it's spiritual, but it's simple.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Yeah, well it's good to keep it simple. Otherwise it it it's good to have things accessible so you can actually do them and not just think you can try and do them. Um Well, Carla, thank you so much for sharing this. Uh I hope this is gonna be an I think this is gonna be a really impactful story for people to hear. Um would you yeah, would you pray for those who are listening and considering for them to have good insight and for God to lead them and where they should go?

SPEAKER_04 37:02

Sure. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for the ability to be a voice. And uh Lord, I just thank you. I thank you for um Jacob and iRapture and just the ability to get this out there more, Lord. And Lord, there's 2,700 pregnancy centers, and if all of them had this trafficking trafficking protocol, Lord, we'd get so many more girls to be safe. So I'm just thankful for that. I'm thankful that you um that you are wise. And Lord, I just ask that everyone that is hearing this listens to the scriptures that Jacob quoted, Lord, that that when we are anxious, um we need to come to you. And so if this causes anxious anxiety or stress, Lord, just let them come to you. Lord, I just lift that up to you. I lift up every pregnancy center nurse and director and volunteer and counselor, client advocates, and also Lord, the people that are in front of Planned Parenthood praying, Lord, that they could see a girl as well. And so, Lord, I just lift all of that up to you. I ask that you help um us have divine intervention and know um what to do next and that we don't have anxiety, Lord, but that we will focus on what you want us to do. And uh Lord, the pregnancy centers, Lord, are already equipped and are helping girls. This is just another tool. So Lord, I just ask them to listen and to hear if God is calling them to add this protocol or if they already have, um, hallelujah. And if some have already gotten girls safe, hallelujah. And I pray for all the girls that will be safe through the protocol, through the pregnancy centers, through watching this video. Thank you so much, Lord, for the ability to be a voice in Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

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