SPEAKER_01 5:18

Well, welcome to the ProLife Team podcast. I'm Jacob and I'm here with Candy. Uh Candy, please tell us a little bit about yourself and then we'll dive into your story.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Okay, you're gonna get it. Okay, for 82 years, I'll try to get it down, okay? All right, I'm I'm really an uh you know, Titus II woman, an octogenerian, and I am really have a uh passion, you know, to help women and to help them recover and reclaim the womanhood that I believe women have lost. Uh and also to help them find their really true created feminism and not femininity, not feminism, you know. And so the God created uh feminism or femininity. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Yeah, so tell us uh tell us about your story, the backstory that uh that you have in this feminism space.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

I I can uh how much time do we have? As much time as you want. Okay, okay. Then I'm gonna start when I was that little country girl back in North Carolina and um riding a pony. I was like a tomboy. I love to do the things, you know, the guys seemed to be having more fun outside. And so I was um really uh the oldest of three children and I had wonderful parents. They were Christians and I took us to church all the time. And um so when I got older in high school and older, I we were hearing things about the women's movement, but you know, not a lot in the 60s and uh in 1964, I believe was, I'm trying to think of years, but I started a college at the University of North Carolina, and for my family, it was just wonderful because for a woman to go to college, because I was the first one in my dad's family to go to college. And I didn't even want to major in things that the women majored in. I wanted to major in something, but the the fields that were open to us more or less for education and uh healthcare, you know, nursing. And so I chose education and a science major. And um I did well in that, but during that time, um I began to leave my roots and really uh my parents train moral training and also there were so many temptations there. And so I fell into those temptations and my dad said, Okay, uh you're gonna reap what you sow. And uh he was trying to lead and guide me, but I didn't want to listen to him. And so I had um a trauma, a traumatic experience between my junior and senior year. And I had a miscarriage in the college dorm. And that set me on a path even better to go further into all kinds of into uh maybe what I ended up in abortion, because I married the next man that I dated. It was the most shameful thing. I didn't go to my parents for help, didn't go, and you know what the enemy does. This is a Christian podcast, right? But we have an enemy, our soul, you know, and that enemy wants to take children and change them through the lies that we hear. And all of the lies that I had heard up until then uh led me on it because it wasn't an instant thing to God, you know, it's it's a progression. And I had progressed to the point where I was isolated, wouldn't talk to my parents about problems. And so I married the next man. He wasn't a Christian. And you know, there were all kinds of red flags. And I would say, young women, think about this, okay? Because the red flags were there and I ignored them. And the red flags that he was uh had a temper, he wasn't a Christian. That was one of the worst things. And uh he uh his he didn't have good things to say about his mother. You know, someone that is not a a guy who doesn't appreciate the womanhood that his mother has. So what ended up was abusive, really. And um we tried to, I tried to make it work, but there was really very little, if any, respect. And then we moved to Alaska, and the pro-life movement knows probably that Alaska was one of the four states, I believe, that abortion was legal in 1970. Okay. Uh, when we arrived, I had never, never considered abortion, even though I had said, you know, I was going on campus, you know, yeah, I'm an independent woman, and saying things like, I can take care of myself and all those little snarky things that I'd heard from people like um, you know, Betty for Dan, maybe, and some of the other uh feminists. And I really looked up to those women in a way because they had books, they had great followings. Uh, and some of the things they said, you know, they kind of sounded true. Uh like I would uh about this Betty for Dan book that came out in 1963, The Feminine Deceit, that it it really really affected a lot of women. And what it did is it made our God-created femininity uh look like uh it was really wrong, you know, being a mother, being in the home, uh like we were in the kitchen like slaves. And I think she even said something like, uh, comparing us to let's say a woman or somebody in a in a you know, slave camp, you know, Nazi slave camp, you know. And so I started grabbing onto those things and not realizing they had really I had accepted some of those things. Even though I wasn't, you know, wanting abortions. But when I got in a situation totally isolated, no church, no friends, no anything except the friends in the military that were smoking grass with my husband. When that happened, a woman and her husband came over and they were talking about the abortion they had. And I had just found out I was pregnant with my second child. We'd had a b son and both of us delighted in him. And we never really even talked about family, and he was not leading. So he had kicked me in the stomach when I told him I was pregnant. And that to me, it was like something died inside of me at that time. It was a terrible thing because my mother had loved her children, and I just kind of assumed our marriage would work, you know, without even knowing the precepts of what I needed and the Christian concept of a covenant and all that. So to make a long story short, in Alaska where it was legal, the Air Forces gave me a free abortion. And I was in that room recovering, not looking at the other women, but it was full of other women. It was and walked out of that and even had another abortion before we left Alaska trying to make a marriage work in the 70s. There were no pregnancy centers. I was not in a church. I had no friends. There were only his friends coming over. And so the enemy had isolated me in a way that I was really primed. Great, you know, I was a candidate for feminism for abortion by the time I got there because God was I I couldn't even pray to him. And so this is a terrible place for women to be in. And to think they have to make a marriage work or they have to make a relationship work. And right now, with all the interest I have on some of the reels we put on the internet, I'm hearing so many words, so many stories, and it just breaks my heart. But to continue with the story, um I was finally a a single mom divorced after ten years. And it was probably the best thing that happened to me, but I was in a terrible situation. Uh for one thing, this this promise of feminism, you know, to be some kind of independent woman with equality and freedom was the lie, and I'll say it was a lie from the pit of hell. Because truthfully, it was the opposite of what they promised. And that's not the freedom that we can find in Christ. It's not a freedom, it was bondage, really bondage, having feeling like a prisoner, uh, you know, supporting a man with my teaching and trying to so anyway, I was single and at as a single mom, uh, I was finding out in the late 70s, uh, that was 1976. Um when I was divor divorced, a single mom. And women weren't even single moms really weren't very welcome in the church. Okay. There wasn't really like a big place for us. And there still wasn't the counseling I probably would have needed if I'd gone to, but I actually had started going to a psychiatrist in the marriage before it ended, trying to fix it. And between the last abortion in Alaska after that, I just began to try to find out what was wrong with me. And I went to psychology books at the wrong place and trying to figure out myself. Ended up back in North Carolina, married, still married before the divorce. Let me go back just a little bit because I s I went to psychology again and started seeing a psychiatrist. I had seen one also b while I was having the abortion and abortions in Alaska in the Air Force. Saw a psychiatrist again, but really never got into discussing the abortions. I did mention it and I just assumed he approved. And I had no help there, but I was trying to fix a marriage. Something was wrong and I couldn't figure it out. So anyway, finally in North Carolina it got uh so I was introverted and trying to figure myself out. I was still taking care of the children, believe me, I didn't want to kill my children, okay? I have to make that because we've had a lot of issues lately about that and um about the effects of abortion and um I didn't realize the abortions were causing me to even be in the hospital. I wasn't psychotic, but my husband committed me because he thought you know I was too much involved in what I was listening to. And I I I didn't hate him, but he was abusive and um I thought I almost had to protect my children. Okay. And so he committed me to the psychiatric ward in D at Duke University Hospital. I went in for two weeks and it came out the marriage was really over. He already had another woman. Uh and um I had a third abortion. You know, people say, Why did you get pregnant so many times? And um I look back and I tried to figure that out too. Uh because in getting the post abortion studies and things, I realized that women it's maybe subconsciously sometimes, but they want to make it work. They want to replace that child. That sounds kind of crazy, but uh that's that's not thinking is weird. And so you continue thinking it's going to work, and women get in those things. Oh, I can make it work. He'll start loving me. And you know, we need to realize that now I realize as I was cre uh I was created for a marriage where a man did love me. And that marriage was for life, but that was not what I had. That was not what feminism led me into and the enemy of our soul. And so um after the divorce, I'll go back to that. After that divorce as a single mom, I finally moved back to my parents, whom I'd been out of, you know, I sent pictures of how nice we were doing in Alaska. You know, we were skiing or we went out to this or that. And yet my heart was like hurting and I was broken from what had happened. And yet I, you know, I depressed and even had, you know, uh even went to the occult. And what I've heard is some of the women that are in this feminism, like uh, were not only in the occultic, but they were witches. They were I mean, there's a book out now by Carrie Gress, and uh it's called The End of Woman. And uh in that in that she actually quotes what some of those women were doing in the late 60s that nobody realized. We looked up to those women because they had published books. They were they had a voice, you know, in the media. And um so I had actually uh delved into that. And now that I was back near my parents, uh the children and I in divorce, moved back to their hometown, my hometown, and began to go to church with them when we could. And I was teaching school again and making it mostly on my own without any child support, very little. And as I began to get closer to them and closer God, wanting God back in my life, and even wanted that in the marriage I had at the end. Even took we even together took the children to my parents' church and baptized them. And as we were pledging to bring them up uh in the Lord, you know, there we were, um standing together. And I thought, even if he doesn't, I want to. Even if he won't do it, I want to. And God heard I I mean, from all that I w had been involved in, you don't realize how difficult it is for a woman that's had abortion to get back in the church and to go back to God and to see, okay, how do I do this? I couldn't even pray to God, but I didn't want to make the same mistake. So moving on to the better half of my life. Oh, we're talking about um 38 years old. I was 38 by the time I had been married 10 years and then divorced six years as a single mom. And I joined a lot of women who were becoming single mothers from divorce. I believe abortion, uh, feminism and all of that was causing women to or causing divorces at that time. And I joined those women, those single moms. And believe me, it's not a good life. Okay, uh it's not a good life. There's more poverty. So where I found myself was instead of all the money I was, you know, no, I didn't really ever think I was gonna be a great, you know, hit third-class ceiling, but I was just saying, okay, I am uh here I am, a single mom. I'm practically in poverty. So no promises of feminism were working then. And abortion left me there too, without a without no husband that loved me. Okay, and having I didn't depend on the government. I made enough money to barely get by and raise my children with a little bit of support from him. I had an incurable disease, though. I had stuffed down the what had happened what I had done. I had stuff stuffed down all the pain and everything from the abortions. And when I did that, it had to go somewhere. You know, when we don't confess and go to God and ask his forgiveness and and come into his graces again, we are still we're not healed. You know, we're not gonna be healed by a self-help method. Okay. We're not gonna be helped by um psychology. Okay. Uh you might uh realize that you're sick and you have a problem going to a medical doctor, but they're not going to. I was on prednisone for uh going like for 10 years or more. I had lost a lot of weight and I had it still worked, believe me. I didn't didn't try to get government support. I don't know why, but then it was just like that wasn't how I was brought up, you know. And so I did, was able to make it. And with crisis disease I taught school. And there were times when I would go in the bathroom and throw up because I'd have a blockage. And so I always had to find bathrooms close by. And um yet I still in my heart wanted to meet a man that would love me like God, like I wanted to be loved. You know, God put that in women. He put it in us to be unconditionally loved by a man, a godly man, for our entire life. Not to have any other because that's a safe place. That is and should be the safe place that a woman finds today. And a man where she c and I'll get into this later, where she is loved unconditionally, and her children are loved unconditionally. And they have two parents. Okay. Um So in my heart, that's what I wanted, but I really, it was hard to believe it ever came. And so, miracle of all miracles, after six years, the big turning point in my life is God sent a man to me without my even looking for him. Uh yes, I had tried a couple of dates. I even had gotten in this dating group. And back then they had video dating. They did not have an internet. So, and it was a disaster, you know, on a one-time date, and that was it. And uh so I was with my parents, and um, you know, they I I was doing pretty good with the kids and managing Crohn's disease, but I never told them. I never told them about the abortions. And um, so this man comes along that might, and believe it, I was 38, my dad met him at work, and he was he he was um with a propane company and he was calling on my dad's um business, and they had a lunch together, and um God came in the middle of that he had to have because he liked my dad. My dad was a gentleman, he was a handsome man, he was a caring man, and he could see that this man was really, and I really took after my dad. It just got stolen from me for a while. But um he uh dad, they were talking about teachers, and dad said, Yeah, I have a daughter, you know, and they were talking about salaries being kind of low, who's a teacher, and she does have kind of a hard time making it. But he she he didn't know that this man was even single. I mean, he was just talking off of, you know. And so my husband, my Vernon, my husband, who's my husband now, of course, um, he his ears perked up and he thought, wow, she's if she's anything like him. So he said, if I ever meet him again, now the chances of them ever meeting were like, I I took probability in college, but I can't even figure this out. Because if one person has like this many locations and they and they, you know, hit each location so many times a month, you tell me this one has so many and they hit so many locations. I'm talking about 20 or 30. And they come together and meet each other and his locations, this one location. Now you figure it out. This is this had to be a miracle. And so he went home saying, in fact, I'd like to meet her, but I I don't know how to meet her if I ever see him again. So about a month later, they met again. Probably, no, it's not by chance. My life is as not by chance. Okay. And now that I know Jesus and he's in it. Um, so uh they met and uh he loves telling the story. He's um, but he finally got the nerve to say, um, and they he said, You said you had a daughter who taught school. He said, Yeah, I'll have a picture of her and the kids here. Still didn't know he was not married or, you know, single. And um Brian just stepped up and said, Well, I'd like to meet her. And so my my dad, and I this story is really meant because dad and I had not, we were at odds a lot. I hadn't listened to him. I had come back beat up, making oh, you know, my life starting over. But finally, guess what? Finally, I was ready to listen. Because that at that time, Dad said, Well, if she'll if she'll she'll listen to me, he said, there was time when she didn't. And so he said, I'll I'll ask her if she wants to meet you. So we met on that faithful time. And he really from the very beginning thought I was the one. I didn't know. I had no idea. And and yet uh it was like he came into my life almost loving me from the beginning, and um he had an ideal of me that I did not want to mess with, okay? I wanted to be that woman because on our first that first date, he had been divorced seven years, and I had been divorced six years, and on that first date, he it was expressing what a woman should be in the home. And I'm like, why is he talking about this? If I'd been a feminist, I would have thought he was giving me a big line and uh would have probably said something smart, Alec, to him, like like that sounds like a line to me. Instead, I was listening with all ears. But I was also concerned because sometimes I would have I would eat, and I sometimes I would have to go to the bathroom and just throw up from the Crohn's disease. That sounds gross, doesn't it? So I sat there worrying about that. Anyway, that led to us getting married six months later. And he loved my children and wanted to be a dad to them too. And so our life began. And the backstory of my my becoming a Christian is I didn't suddenly, well, here I am. I'm a I'm a Christian now, and I'm uh, you know, loving God and I'm gonna trust him the rest of my life, and we're gonna be in a fantasy land. And but I kind of believed, like, hey, he's my Prince Charming. He's my Prince Charming. God sent him. And we had a Christian marriage. Oh, that was wonderful. We had a church marriage, like the first one I ran off with. And um, it that was wonderful. And so uh we moved to California right away, away from family with the two children, and he had a prominent job. He was a um manager over about 60 or 70, uh, I don't know how many locations in Southern California. So he had a really good job. And I was off for a year, and then I wanted to teach in the public schools. I was so I wanted to help get our two-story nice home. I had a home, a beautiful home, not a little apart dinghy apartment. And so, you listen, feminism left me poor, I will tell you that. And it left me sick, and it left me with all kinds of problems, okay. But I masked that pretty well, I think. I thought, well, I'm healed. I'm married, I'm healed, and God's make it, you know. And so we went to church, and I as far as masking it, I never told my pastors, the first pastors, and um, I thought I would just be okay, and we were doing well, and things began to happen. You know, our lives didn't go as smooth as I thought Cinderella's was. The happily ever after turned into something else. And that was um our businesses failed. His business failed. Uh, his um he was actually fired from that. He was an entrepreneurial type, and uh, he was a good man, and he had a lot of uh he had been raised on a farm, and I tell you, he thought that he could do just about anything. He was had a lot of confidence in himself. And yet after 10 years, and what happened in that 10 years, I will tell you, is one good thing about the pro-life movement. In my science class, I was hired for middle school in uh California, Southern California. It's pretty liberal, we know, in California, and I was a Christian, but I still was carrying all that, okay. But I was I confessed it to my husband after a year. I had never told him. I won't tell you what he said, but he was so shocked. This woman he thought was on a pedestal. He knew my some of my background, a bad marriage, but I didn't tell him. He was shocked, and um we made it through that, but it it allowed me to come out and be a little more open with my past. Not telling all the details. I didn't go for help, I didn't talk to a pastor. I kept the details of three to myself, even to my husband. Okay, but it was enough to get me out there and bold and bolden me. So we stood with signs, uh, you know, for the pregnancy, local pregnancy center. I didn't get involved in it, but in my science class, this is where I really, you know, wanted to be that pro undercover pro-life advocate. And in the I I thought everybody in California were, you know, already pretty far gone as far as their religion and the liberal and stuff. So I thought that I had a mission. I was zealous, and I thought I had a mission to save everybody. But uh what happened is I really was an undercover woman in the sex ed class. And I just did not want to teach children anything that would go against the Bible. And there's a scripture, and you know that scripture probably. I have a hard time remembering exactly where it is, help me. But um I I I could not, I really didn't know that scripture at the time, yet later on I realized that was what I was doing. But I could not teach children things that would cause them to sin. And I thought if I teach them about all the sex stuff that I'm supposed to be teaching, and I teach it in the way they want me to. So I had a a great Catholic uh principal right then, and even though I gave them a little bit of trouble when I put a something on the bulletin board, uh, do you remember? You probably don't remember because you weren't alive in the 80s, were you?

SPEAKER_01 32:17

I was alive. I was born well, I was three and uh I was born in 77.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Okay. Uh there there was a there were these pictures that came out in the 60s, I think. Uh Lim no Nielsen Nelson, I'll have to think. He was the one that first photographed babies, unborn babies in the womb, sucking their thumb. Okay, this this picture was revolutionary because it was a pro-life picture that they were brought out in the 80s. It was actually a big ad um on the back of um uh a newspaper, and I cut it out. It was the size of the newspaper and put it on my bulletin board. And at the bottom it says, I can suck my thumb, I have hiccups, I da-da-da. And I can also be aborted or my life can be ended legally, or something like that. I put that on my bulletin board, and a parent got really upset. So he came, yeah, he had me and he said, you know, you need to put take that down. And I didn't want to be disobedient and rebel against him, but I I was pretty um uh zealot, like I said, zealot almost. And I cut the bottom part off and left the image because I was teaching sex ed. And so that was what I I could do. And so I put that on the bulletin board like that, and he called me in again. He said, she called again, but I went in and looked at it, and it's okay, you can leave it up. So excuse me. So that that was to me a victory, you know, because I wasn't um able to really get into the movement like I wanted to. My daughter still didn't know that she had been born between two abortions. And uh she was becoming a teenager and my son was older and he had some issues uh going on too. But anyway, uh we left Cal California and we had um done well, you know, uh materially. I'm gonna have a drink of but Sure, sure. Do you want me to continue now?

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Yeah, yeah, go a go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

This is good. Okay. Okay. So I had a little dry cough, so excuse me. So uh we we got a we were having financial issues and we got into another business when he was actually fired. And we were in a uh we were in a flower shop in Pasadena and I learned to do flowers, okay? And we learn worked together. I left I wasn't teaching at that point, I taught five years. And so we were um doing that. And in the meantime we were having trouble keeping the mortgage up. We were having trouble uh we sold cars. We started selling those stuff, and um we sold um cars, we sold antique furniture that we had a whole house full of them. Oh, excuse me. Okay Come on, huh? So that so it seemed like we were on a sinking ship throwing everything off at that time. And I had two chrome surgeries that I almost died because of the effect of all of the things that we were going through. And uh my Prince Charming, he was human after all, right? And uh what I thought was going to be this life that would just continue going up and improving, and you know, we we couldn't afford things and nice things we had, and it didn't. It went the other way, and it we began to lose everything. And he worked to get another job, and he was uh we thought he he was had a another secure job, and that didn't work out. At 50 and 54, we were starting over. And the only answer he had from a hundred resumes was one answer in Colorado, in this little town I'd never heard of. So after marrying our daughter, and we said goodbye to our son and his girlfriend that he loved and was living with her at the time, and we had married off the daughter to a nice Christian young man, and we left for Colorado uh in a U-Haul truck carrying propane tanks, and left the house full of antiques, thought thinking we would sell it and make money. That didn't happen. What happened is we were losing everything, giving up everything. He's not one, even the job he had in Colorado fell through. And uh he made attempts. So finally this farm boy got a hold of a used truck and 15 rented tanks and started a company of his own while I was substitute teaching with Crohn's disease. But I was called almost every morning, and in the meantime, the little church that we found in this thankfully more conservative area of Colorado, okay. I began to hear the gospel message for me because I was desperate. We had no insurance. You don't have insurance when you start a business like that, you can't afford it. He was the only one working, and I was substituting every day and hearing a gospel, hearing the word of God for me personally. And I began to, I held on to that. It was life to me at that time. And so without resenting my husband, which I probably could have because he was, I was wanting to blame him. But God intervened at that time in my life in a way that changed me because I realized this word wasn't just out there. It was something that I could believe this word for healing. I could believe that he was my healer. I could believe that he wanted to save me, deliver me. And yes, I was saved, but I was a Christian observing what other people were doing. And I really didn't understand what Christ had done for me. He not only saved me out of hell, okay, he had promises to prosper us in a way and provide all of our needs. Now, I'm not saying this is prosperity gospel, but I'm saying I was desperate for anything. And so this is the gospel that's that gave me a new identity. And I'm saying no longer was I, and I didn't come out and tell my whole story then. Okay, my pastors, I didn't want to know. I jumped up in church one time because women who have abortions want to know would you love me if I told you, if you knew what I had done? Would you love me? My husband and I had not spoken of this in years. And um, so I jumped up in church and said, I had abortions. I mean, I'm laughing a little now because it it I was desperate, you know. Uh I was helping the pastor's wife. Oh, I was doing a lot with the kids, but nobody knew my past. And so during appraise and worship, I thought the Holy Spirit had moved me and I did that. But it was kind of just in a way, and we they loved me and we never really talked about it that much. I think they thought I was already healed. It was, they were good people. But I heard the word there, and that was what was important. It was still years later. During that time, my husband and I, he began to grow the company. And uh we're talking about '93, 1993 to 2008, when I actually finally, it took another crisis in our life for me to finally come out and tell my story. Okay. This is 30 some years. Okay. I mean, 1970 to 2008 is a lot of years. And that's the time I had the abortion until it really came out. And I went to some post-abortion. I actually had been in a pregnancy center in Colorado. Uh, at that time, I wanted to volunteer. And so I did. I volunteered, and I wanted everybody saved because, you know, I believed I'd been saved and I knew this word, and I wanted all to be saved. So we had a really one uh one that I can't remember that really is so neat. I had substitute to talk there too. And um one day a girl walked in with her boyfriend, and I recognized her from a you know elementary class where she had been really bullied. She was an outcast. She had been bullied, and the guy she was in, he had these demonic-looking tattoos all over him. And I found out he was actually a warlock warlock. You know, so he claimed to be in a warlock there. I mean, I think they told me. And so she had lost four babies. I think she'd had four miscarriages and was pregnant again. And I was in taking her. And so in there, he he insisted on going in. And I sit in there, and you know, I thought, this is where I was with this. I thought, this is a baby that they want that God created. Okay. And um I didn't really uh try to figure out all the things why that baby didn't need to be here. Okay. I didn't try to just justify well to have another one. It was probably best. I'm gonna cry. Instead, I asked them if I could pray for him and uh for that baby to live. Here were two parents, two parents. They were all in the wrong circumstances, but they wanted a baby they loved, okay? And I asked the director to come in and I prayed and laid hands on that baby on that woman's tummy, and prayed in the name of Jesus. And one of the things I said, I mean, God gave me a word for it, is that this child will not die, but will live and declare the works of the Lord. That was pretty, I mean, I went ahead and said it and did it. And um they left and it that was all. And I thought, God, that was amazing. Because they were happy that I'd done that. They were, you know, be glad to agree with that. I met her later on in town, and I don't know how many years later, and she told me that little boy was born and that he lived. And so that gave me a lot of confidence in God's ability to do anything, because I still wanted to believe that that word for that child was going to be true. And so God um God gave put it in my heart to want to minister to the women, to really want them to get the truth, not just come in there. And um, and I I think it's all this that we do for them is wonderful because it's an emergency. They need it. But I'd have a little girl come in, woman, and she was pregnant, living with the guy, and I say, you know, God loves you so much, he didn't really doesn't want it to happen to you that you're a single mom. He would if this guy really loved you, you know, he would want this baby and he would want to take care of it in you. And so they'd let me pray for him. And I was doing Mary Kay at the time. I didn't do that too a lot because we don't always have the opportunity, and but if somebody's open to it, and so um I met her years later. I was doing Mary Kay, and I was in there giving her facial on her kitchen, and she said, I'm that girl. And so, you know, you don't know what you're doing. And she had named her two children that she had, she was married. And she said, Yes, and there were there were two Christian names, like Trinity and Grace or something like that, or you know, and that was just bless me. I'm like, Lord, thank you for showing me that because uh sometimes you don't think you're doing any good. And you're wondering, you know, am I doing any good just giving them these materials out and giving these things? But I also realized later on uh they had a lot of materials in there that single moms have more issues with abuse children. You know, the children are abused more, and the predators out there that predate, that are predators on single moms, and they target them and get into their homes and they'll kill their kids. And we had that happen. I'm like telling you, they need so much when they come in, not only materially, but they need to, you know, get out and find people that care about them and love them. And that pregnancy center is probably that first contact, okay, I'm sure it is, with many of them. And so any way to let a woman know uh that is a blessing and a beginning and wonderful. But anyway, my story goes on. And uh, as it was later for me that I came out writing and speaking, I didn't tell everybody my problem. I had told them I was healed of Crohn's disease. Oh, yes, guess what? I was totally healed of Crohn's disease. Now, you know, the word says that Jesus healed everybody that came to him. We didn't have insurance, okay? I didn't go to the government. I don't know why, but I didn't. And so we wanted to believe that he still heals today because it says he's the same yesterday, day, and forever. I began to get the word in me like that. That really helped my faith, you know. And so I got the word. It says faith comes by hearing the word. And so I got the word in me. And I was quoting the word all the time. And I was telling people, Jesus is gonna heal me, you know. Yeah, I still have some pain here. But I went off a prednisone. I had been on it 15 years. And I I feel the Lord told me you can go off of it. I didn't have a very high dosage then. It was down real small. I just went off of it, and nothing happened. I got okay, you know. I mean, I I I did okay. But it was later. I'd had a great big lump there in my intestine. Listen, it's incurable, okay? You find it from anybody. I didn't take any medicine for it either. It's supposedly incurable. Oh, by the way, I do want to say this too. When I got out of the psych ward back there in that marriage, I never went on medication after that. Um, that to me, when I was hearing about a recent case that we all know about that was on every psych drug and everything. And what do I attribute it to? I was I had to have a job teaching, working, and taking care of two kids. Okay. Also, I had a heart to want to get back to God. And um, even though I wasn't, and I wasn't living the right life totally, and my parents, I was your people that loved me. And I was finally not isolated like the devil wants to isolate us and lie to us. So, anyway, getting back to the present with that, um, I was healed. I was healed with Crohn's disease. I knew what the word said about there's even now no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus. And um, in Romans. And uh, that was one of my faith. No condemnation for those that walk according to the spirit, not the flesh. That also goes by that condemnation, that self-condemnation, I'm getting so many women making comments on these reels about I can't forgive myself. And I try to tell them, Jesus, blood's, he forgave you. That's like telling him it's that's not enough. You know, he did it, he's enough. And I try to just, you know, give them something. Um, because, you know, I can't sit down with them and counsel them all with a comment on Instagram, but I can get out the truth. And what I'm saying is, um, I found out that that Jesus not only can restore those things that were taken from us and the lies and give us the truth. It says he's the way, the truth, and the life. Okay, there's no other absolute truth but him. And uh, so when you get that firmly in your mind, you know, that helps you a lot because you're not wavering back and forth. You're not back and forth. I put feminism behind me. I actually had to repent of it, y'all, because I had believed a lie. And it and it tells a lie about God and who God is. That he's not the God that we know as Christians and believers. Uh, it says that he didn't care about me because he created me second, you know, to be abused maybe by a husband. That's what women are thinking. But they miss the whole thing that God created him to be something else. And I know who that is now, the woman that he created me to be. And that's the woman I wanted to be. Uh, but this was a long time between me for me and Vernon to actually work out everything because I carried some of the same disbelief, unbeliefs, and things with me about him, even of the man that God gave me. And um, about did he really love me? You know, we had all these financial problems, you know, what was going on. And um, I didn't see him as God saw him and and God created him to be. God created him to be the man that would love me unconditionally, that man that would die for me. And that he was out there on old propane truck in the mountains of Colorado, and he was in his 50s, late 50s, pulling hoses over ice and snow that was up to his waist almost if he fell through it because it had ice on top, you know. And he would go into this one customer at a time trying to find customers even. And he was competing against the big boys out there. And um, so this little company in this town had a lot of uh things against it too, but he wouldn't quit and kept going. And um, I wanted to be that partner that God had made me, but I really it was hard for me to find out who that was. We hadn't seen it in our parents that much. I mean, not perfectly, you know. This is an imperfect world. Hey, we're falling. And uh, but with Jesus coming back to redeem us from a curse of sin and a curse of things, we can get closer to God in that relationship that even Adam and Eve had, but we can get into a relationship with Him again, God again, and um through Christ, that's the only way, and we can learn the truth then. And so what happened through all this is um my husband and I God gave us our wealth back, he gave us our money, our home back. He gave us car again and all that, and we had all that going. And then there was an issue in the business that uh threatened to take our marriage again and take our take our marriage and take our home. And I won't go into details with that because my husband was trying with all of his heart to help support us at the beginning, and there were some things that he didn't do just like maybe he should have. But God was merciful, and God is so good that I finally found out at this place in my life when I was in my 60s, okay? Because by by the time that uh second crisis happened, it seemed like the old feminism actually reared its head and wanted to come back. But anyway. So in Colorado, I had during all that time, I wanted to get the pro-life movement, get involved in that. I was in the pregnancy center some and I was kind of an evangelist type, wanting everybody to get saved. And uh, which is not a bad thing, but um it was okay. I did want I I did work at several and I did what I was supposed to do, but it was in a pregnancy center that I decided to also take courses myself. And uh it was Colorado Springs. I went there because I wanted to go in not only, I wanted to go in and be trained to help women, but in the meantime, I'm the one that needed to. I really needed it because I had not confessed to anybody at when I did this that my past of three abortions. Excuse me. And so um I did so for the first time. I went through three weeks, okay? Three separate weeks, three separate times. And I had to travel in the winter time the first time my husband took me, and he would s hang out at some local restaurant or something, coffee shop. And then he would take me home because it was cold his, you know, long trip over his 40 miles over cars, frames and back in the through the mountains. And you know, there was weather at that time. And um that was good. That was good because um I had never spoken that before to anybody else personally, and I yelled it out in church that never went anywhere. I tried to give my testimony maybe, but really had not come out with it. And so at that point I went through it and then I went through like two more. I went through uh surrendering the secret once, and uh then I went through uh forgiving and separating uh three times or two or three times. And during that time I had already already was in a church all this time, even though the church I started with, now people are imperfect. These pastors, these first pastors were wonderful. They taught me the word. I got a base, basic word in me for salvation and healing and was healed. I'm telling you, it says that by faith we're, you know, Jesus healed me, okay? All I know is I'm healed and it is incurable. And even some doctors didn't believe it, but I was have had no medication in 30 years, over 30 years for Crohn's disease. And uh one time I had a blockage because I'll be off a little bit, because the blockage was where all the scar tissue was from connecting me. I'd had two and a half feet taken out in the two surgeries in California of my small intestine. And it left me um on prednisone and still taking pregnancy until I was actually healed. And when I was healed, there was no more abscesses. The last doctor that took out them, he said, don't think you're healed. You have abscesses all over your intestines. We only took out what we had to. Well, that's the bad news. Well, at the time, my husband and I believed the good news, and we were in California that I was gonna be healed. And I didn't know how or when, but I had to believe this is not gonna kill me. This is not for life. There was faith enough that God had put some faith in me. And um, I wasn't this great faith person. I can't say that, you know, I was walking feeling like I was, you know, absolutely sure. But I had was bold enough to actually say it at times, and that I that God was gonna heal me and that the enemy of mine it was trying to kill me. I believed it was coming from the devil. Okay. Well, there's I don't know what your theology is out there, but something was trying to kill me. And um, so anyway, after being healed of that, I wanted to be healed completely of abortion, but that came later. I already had the scriptures. I knew that who God called me. I had a new identity, I thought, totally from the word. Listen, you want, I lay in bed as a teenager, really hating myself at times one time, like a lot of girls might do. Because, you know, we're we're trying to live up to so many standards from the world. And um I found out who I really was, my true identity through Christ. He has a whole long list of what he thinks of me and what he says in the Bible, and you can find it too. And so, so I had this um faith packet I was believing, and it was true. God says, you know, what he says is true. Okay, what he said about me was true. So let's go on from there. I still had that when I was taking those courses, but I never had spoken out. And so the enemy comes against you. It says, in uh Revelation 12, 11. Now, this is a scripture that I've hung on to for years, and God gave me that early on. We overcome, what are we overcome? The enemy, the lies that we're believing, every bad thing that has happened. We overcome by the blood of the Lamb, the blood of Jesus, okay, on the cross that shed for me. Okay, and we love not our lives, our lives unto death. What does that mean? That means I'm gonna stand up here and talk and not worry about what anybody out there thinks. Okay. All right. So uh condemnation in Christ, and I feel like that God has brought me to this flesh. So I went through those classes when we had a marriage class, and I will say that the old feminism came up, and I thought, I almost I almost I actually filed divorce on my husband after all those years. And um I it came from a whole series of things. Our church fell apart and our pastors divorced. That's a hard thing to, you know, to s to go by. The people we looked up to and trusted. And then the business was attacked terribly, and it seemed like we were gonna lose that home, that nice home that God had given us. I didn't know we'd lost everything before. And the enemy really got a hold of me at that time. But guess what? There's another scripture I was holding on to. You know, the one in Romans 8, 28. Okay, that one it says that in all things, in all things, God is working for those that love him. And it's not gonna work for a non-believer if you don't trust have God trust him. But in all things for us, the believers, when we trust him, unbelieve, and have faith. He's working to turn those horrible things that have happened to us or that we've done to good when we repent. Okay. And that's something I believe, whether you believe it or not, and might be out of context, it might be wherever, theologically. But I'm gonna say that that's what gave me um to know now. My husband, and I I was trying to think there were some other things I didn't want to forget. I did have, I did get, I led and helped lead and organize some March for Locke uh things in cold, Colorado, okay. Up there in the May, it was really cold in those days. And we had students there, and we had some of the faith family of churches and Catholics and uh, I don't know, Protestants. We had um, you know, a few, but not a lot, because there were only we thought, I thought, well, I want to get the churches, you know, involved and go around and talk to them about one initiative Colorado had on the ballot, and that was uh an unborn baby that was killed by a drunk driver two days, just a week before it was born. That was an initiative that we stood up for and went around trying to help with. Okay. I thought, let's go to the churches and get them involved. Uh-uh. You won't believe how many would really do that. Very few. And I thought, it just blew my mind. You know, I thought they would they would be the the supportive. Let me say though, they weren't churches I was going to uh because God did lead me, and there is, and I do believe that there are, because I'm in one now, that there are churches out there, there are places that will stand with you and believe like God believes, that you are washed clean of that past sin, that you're a new person, and that you do not, and that he is not holding it against you. You know, one thing that he does say is he says, and it's wonderful, he says, I don't even remember those things. Yes, he can remember, but he doesn't remind you of them. Isn't that wonderful? You can believe that. And the other thing is, I put your sin as far as the east is from the west. And then he does say that you're a new person in him. You may not feel like it at the time, and you're not new yet, but spiritually you're new. And when you when you apply yourself and put yourself in a place to hear him and his word and love him and walk it out, he is going to perform his word in you, okay? And I mean that he's gonna mature you, he's gonna bring you to a place that you're going to be able to stand against things that have that would have thrown you over years ago. Do you think I could have been doing this 20 years ago? No. It's, you know, I wish I were younger doing it, but 82, he chose me right now. Okay. So at this time in my life, I'm still married to a man for 44 years. That's a big accomplishment, okay? Um it's a big accomplishment for a woman that was indoctrinated. Guess what? I am now transformed indoctrinated by God, okay? And I know who I am, and I'm not perfect. Oh my goodness, you know, I can my I work at it. You know, some things have happened with us now in our 80s that would have made me angry at my husband earlier. And yet now we have more love and grace, and we are partners, true partners now. Now I want to, can I explain that? The woman that I found out, and this has only happened in the last five, six, seven gradually, and even while I was writing my book, I was doing some research and I found out some very interesting things. Not only about women who've had abortion and the effects that we're not considering, okay, that have kind of been denied, but also I found out who God really wanted me to be as a woman and a wife and a mother. And he took me back to Genesis like he started things. It's in there, folks. I'm not a great theologian, and I don't look up the Greek and Hebrew all the time. And so I think God's given me some principles that are really important. But back in Genesis 316, okay, or let's go back to the beginning, uh not in 316, that was the curse. But when he created Adam and Eve, and he made her second, okay. Adam was first, that's okay. The feminists didn't like that, but they she won they want to be totally equal. I guess he could have created at the same time, right? No. She was second, and she was a helper or helpmate, and she was a comparable one. We interpreted that wrong too. I did. Because to women that aren't saved and their whole spirit is not born again and they don't understand what's going on, it looks like it looks like a God didn't favor women and it didn't give us a good, you know. But what that word Azer, E-Z-E-R, means, you know, in Hebrew, it means a helper that is, and I will say that God used that word for Himself as Israel's helper in places in the Old Testament. But that doesn't mean we're God, but it means we're indispensable, that we're in this together, and that our value is not based on birth order, okay? It's not based on what our what our role is. It is based, our value is based on who God says we are in Him. And women, let me tell you, women, you have access to every promise God has made to the believer just as equally as a man. But you don't have to be a man, you don't have to compete with men, you don't have to put down men and hate them because the way God created them has been made to seem evil. And I admit that there are unsaved carnal men and women, and we are all, when we're born into this world of sin, and before we're redeemed by Christ, we're going to continue with that kind of thinking. Okay. So there are men who have abused women, of course, and taken advantage of the weaker, weaker physically sex and the bad relationships that have formed. But God's plan was for us to be totally in this relationship where both people benefit in amazing ways. And he told us about it when Christ redeemed us from the curse, and he told us about it in Ephesians, Ephesians 5. And he gave us that scripture and said the husbands were to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Do you know what that means? That means he died for us and he provides for us. He wants to. In a good man, there's this. Innate desire to provide for a woman, to protect her and the children that he you know desires, or that's not a good word, maybe, that he brings into the world. And to uh love her unconditionally like Christ loves her. Um to provide that safe place for her to grow and be loved. And um so to some women it seemed confining, but it can be the most liberating place there is. And not that you have to go back to that, but there are lots of women in their 50s now wanting to go back and get the get rid of the job because they're tired of working. Um but God always always had a good place for women and loved us, and yet we can't we can partner in with a man against the world and against the enemy to protect our children. And our role is is you know, it is just as important. It's just different. And uh this one teacher that I liked, he was talking about um Miles Monroe. I don't know if you know Miles Monroe, but he died years ago in a plane crash. And um he used to said say that we were we were created to be rulers, you know, to rule, to have dominion over the world, the earth, not people over the earth. And to cultivate, and you know, at that time that's what it was. We were created to have that rulership over even this the spiritual world, even and the evil in the world, and to be able to pray together and come together against the things that would confront a family, like all the lies and all the things that families being deceived, uh killed and uh decimated that the homes are today. But God's plan was wonderful, and I love to think about it because those very qualities that men have been given uh by God are um create created as being toxic today. And um a good man uh you know maybe loses hope in a good woman of finding a good partner. But God has somebody for you. He brought somebody to me, and he will if you'll just keep yourself with him and pure. And I say that. But as a as a woman coming into that place is the greatest freedom that you can have. It's the great greatest freedom a woman can have in that place because all the gifts and talents. Look at the Proverbs 31 woman. You're gonna hate me for this, some woman, but let me tell you, I saw her as a liberated woman, one of the most liberated women in the Bible, and I put that in my book at the end. I also put a lot of the things that I think we w women need to realize, and I'll finish one thought. I'm sorry, finish one thought about the um the woman that was in the home, but she had no other choices. She didn't have all the choices women today have. She was in the home. She didn't rebel against her husband or want to sit with him at the city gates and take his place. Okay, but she didn't lay around le uh lazy, you know, with her home all like trashed. And um this woman was so industrious, and every every gift and every talent that she had was amazingly she was able to realize and manifest it in that that environment. The patriarchal environment of that day didn't keep her down. You know. In fact, she flourished. She was an entrepreneur, she was a businesswoman, she was a philanthropist. Uh she was a creator, an influencer. You know, that's what women want to be today, but uh most of the time it's not in their home. But she was that and she did all of that, making the clothes, going out and bargaining for things. You know, she took the seed money that her husband made and used it wisely, and it went a long way. And then she produced more with it. You tell me that's not a good woman. Okay, somebody and and the feminists saw that as being um being a slave. No, she was liberated. And so going back to the post-abortion things and all of the effects that they can have on someone, I've discovered writing this book that even the psychiatric ward is one of the effects that you can have from abortion. Now they're finding it, and you have to search for these things because the pro abortion group is not going to want these things out there. But I will tell you, when I found out this one thing and they're all in the afterward and at the end of my book, um, I put a lot of these, but I had an incurable disease, Crohn's disease. I did not know why nobody in my family had ever had Crohn's. And I knew that it was from probably from all the stress I'd gone through and things. But what they're finding is that women who have one abortion have a 50% greater chance of having of dying of all things, all diseases within a certain time. I mean, usually it's within the first, you know, you know, less than a decade short years. And that means that suicide course is in there. And other diseases like I had was autoimmune disease, heart disease, uh dying younger. Uh but with two abortions it's it's a hundred percent greater. And with three, it's a hundred and fifty percent greater. Okay, that's proven in studies. There's also a psychiatric ward mental health. That's a biggie. Women who m have abortions are having more mental health problems, and the pro-abortion group would want you to think and have actually said that women who have a child naturally have more mental problems, and they'll probably want to use this c case with Lindsay uh to try to prove their point, but that's not true, it's a lie. Um the long list goes on and on for women, the effects is even PTSD, okay, problems not only mental, inside the psychological, the emotional, the emotional. Okay, one thing it hits women with is trust. You can't trust a man after that very easily, or yourself. And so your trust is broken, and then you're angry, the anger is there because somewhere in this whole mess, somebody should have stood up for me and and said no. But men, and I can get pretty adamant about this because not many people are defending men. So I guess as a woman, I am a woman, people. I'm not just some person pretending to be one. Uh, but I can see where men are in a catch-22 with this whole situation. If they're out there doing the wrong thing, having sex without marriage and a good wife, um, they're putting themselves in a place that's really gonna be bad. For one thing, the woman is going to blame them and they're going to be coerced. They're gonna say you're coerced, because they probably do feel coerced. And some men do coerce them, some men abuse them, some men do all this, they do. But you're kind of drawing back because what what happens if you want to be protect a baby and she doesn't want it? Okay, then you don't have anything to say. Okay. So basically you're say-so for this child is not you don't have one. It's what's gonna happen. So the best thing is to, you know, decide you're gonna keep yourself pure. And that goes for men and women, boy, young men and women, and they are doing that today. Oh, there's gonna be a revival, folks. It's coming in every every area, and the Catholics as well. And I'm not I don't mean to be that as negative. I don't I'm Protestant, but it's gonna be everywhere in all denominations. It's gonna be everywhere in people, faith-believing people. You know, I have a grandson who is drawn to the Catholic Church uh because of and he loves it. And um thank God, you know, he's he's somewhere we can find out who God is and and love Jesus, okay? And um so I just I just don't want to, you know, say, well, this denomination, that one, this one is all. Listen, if you have a relationship with Jesus, find a place, find a place that teaches the truth because you don't want somebody that's gonna think you were justified and have an abortion. Okay. Don't go try to find somebody like that. I can sit and I can listen to a sermon that says it's a sin, okay? And not feel condemned. Okay, I can sit there and say, uh yes, you're right. And thankful that they're doing that. But I also can hear there's compassion for this woman who's pregnant without uh, you know, uh marriage. And so uh we've got to be Christ-like wherever we are. And yet, sin is sin, and you're not going to be um get away with it uh if you stand before God because he's gonna judge that. You know, he is gonna judge sin. And uh right now we're in the a grace period, I I believe. We're in a period where he wants everybody to come in and hear the truth and be part of his family, his his uh restored family that uh Jesus restored. And yet so many think he's against them and have a have uh a lie, but just don't believe the truth. So so getting back to the long list and pregnancy centers and everything. I haven't been to pregnancy center in years. I want to be I would love to have one here. I would love to that we do not have one in uh our town here. But uh I live outside of this town, don't live really in this town. But um Calico, Oklahoma doesn't have a pregnancy center. Uh the closest one is about 40 miles away. And I we're I am just uh beginning to speak out uh even more publicly and whatever opportunities the Lord gives me. But I would also like to have the opportunity to hope my phone's not going down. I also would like to have that opportunity uh to to help women in any way that I can and to have um have to be able to have a part in saving those babies more. Right now, mine is mostly in my speaking and writing um and in, you know, whatever God leads me to do. Uh, but I know he has something here in Tallahawan too. And so we're going to I know he's gonna show us that our church is very pro-life, not ashamed of see, God led me to pro-life places where I could fellowship. And the one thing I think will help women who come in with the problems in pregnancy center is to get them planted in a church that really believes the Bible and will love them and we're not condemn them, and we'll help them however they can with their baby and with their life. I'm not sure where you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:42

Well, thank you. Yeah, this has been amazing, Candy, to hear your story and all of this good insight and wisdom, and yeah, I love how you pull from the scripture to find direction and and um and essentially, yeah, what to do and where to go. Um and um so this last Sunday at my church, we were uh there was a sermon about blessing, and and it was sort of defining it with a different word than I would normally use, which was the word relief. It defined blessing, having a blessing is to have relief from something God providing relief. And that's been a really rich definition, and what I saw what I heard in your story is that you have had relief from the pain of abortion through healing, and you've had relief from the attacks of the enemy with God maybe removing those um those those arrows or those uh darts, and and you've had relief from Crohn's disease, and you've had relief from a hard first marriage, and and so yeah, I would it it's it to me, it sounds like you've been very blessed with a lot of amazing relief. What's that? I'm not poor anymore either. Yeah. Well, that's sort of my I guess I always think of blessing as being um well, I guess it's also good God's favor or good things. Yes, it's not just money. Yeah, much more different, it's a much more um, it just seems to really resonate as a really good word to uh think about when it comes to blessing, is the word relief.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:28

Yes, yes. The blessings of God are without uh, you know, um the mercies and blessings uh, you know, when we repent, go to him. He is a father who wants to bless us. And uh it's not it may not look the same for everybody, okay, but uh, you know, he is uh the equal opportunity guy, father. I don't want to call him guy, that's not very respectful. Sure. The equal opportunity father who um and not everybody looks equal, but he knows exactly what we need, when we need it, need it, and how how much we need, and you know, um maybe uh we we're givers, we're we're wanting to be givers, more givers than not. And so if he blesses us with that giving ability to give, that's wonderful too. If I but you can give things other than money and things, your time and the pregnancy centers, all of that is so wonderful. And um, I'm gonna be looking for ways I can get with more pregnancy centers now that God has released me after four years of writing. So I'm hope I'm I'm not sure that my phone, I'm not sure I didn't get it hooked up. Uh so I can't see on the screen whether it's you're still there.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:43

I'm I am okay. So I don't know what my phone has right now. I'm ashamed to admit this, but I don't know if it's charged because I can't tell on the screen here.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:53

Well, yeah. Well, this has been really good, Candy. Would you would you c wrap up our podcast with a prayer, a prayer for those who are doing this pro-life work.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:03

Yes. Oh, yes. And Heavenly Father, I just thank you today for every person that is giving their uh giving up themselves, their sacrificing, their time, their sacrificing to you, Lord God, that the blessings that they would receive from you for this great sacrifice and the love they have for you and the love that they have for the most innocent, the most innocent, and for the women as well, and the babies, Lord God, and the babies that they're saving. Lord, I just pray for them that you would pour out your blessings on them and give them strength, give them hope, give them wisdom that you said that we can ask for, and that that you would give wisdom, that you have all the knowledge in the world. Help them and show them ways to um be able to do witness to these women, to be able to meet their needs and to be able to show them the love of Christ more and more. And Lord, for the people that are, uh we just want you to bless the people that are supporting them and uh increase them, that their their needs would all be met, and that you would help them with uh all the endeavors that they have with uh outside with their conflicts that are coming against them and things, that no weapon formed against them is going to prosper, Lord God. We declare in the name of Jesus that you will go forth, that what your will will be done, and your kingdom is coming, Lord. In this place, you're going to show your glory, and we thank you for that. We give you the glory, Lord. May they see Jesus every time they walk in there and every center, every worker, give them um everything that you are the Father that meets all the needs, and we just praise you and we thank you for what you are doing in Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:53

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:19

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