SPEAKER_04 0:38

He remember with a time of occupations and greed and self in hearts were our demations when we were slaves change to our own desires We did not know what freedom was we were captive liars. We remember that glorious day when his army's battled for us his blood flowed free from his open wounds and his back he bore us.

SPEAKER_05 4:11

Welcome to the Pro Life Team Podcast. I'm Jacob and I'm here with Cheryl. Um Cheryl, I'm excited to hear about your new book, um Worshiped and Abortioned. Yeah, tell us all about it, and yeah, then we'll I'll follow up with some questions.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Okay. All right. Well, I'm Cheryl Kirchbaum. I'm now a multi-award-winning author, which is really cool, uh, speaker and writing coach. Uh the Lord has given me this calling to equip Christians to speak the truth in love about the sanctity of life and the sanctity of sex. Uh so I wrote my memoir and published it back in 2019, and it won a couple awards. And uh and then I published Worship to End Abortion in 2020, but the Lord had me update it and revise it. And so there's a second edition out, and it's got this pretty red cover. And so it came out this year, and uh, as you can see up there, it won an award this summer. So I was really excited about that. Uh, so uh the book, I mean, the overall goal of the book, of course, is to get Christians to pray powerfully. And so the book most certainly leads people through that, but the book also gets Christians to think differently about the whole abortion issue. And so uh I call the first half of the book uh boot camp, you know, as in the Lord is calling us to be worship warriors. And so the first part of the book uh gets us prepared to do that. So, like chapter one is based on uh 2 Chronicles 20, verses 1 through 30, which uh I call the King Jehoshaphat story. Uh King Jehoshaphat leads the hit the Kingdom of Judah uh into battle, but they don't actually have to fight. The Lord wins the battle for them. And the story has been so transformative in my own life that I wrote it in my memoir, and then the Lord had me use that as the overarching theme for for this book. And so, of course, we start off with that. And so every chapter uh does that. It starts off with a Bible story, and uh, but I wrote it in short story form because when I write it in short story form, I can bring in cross-references, I can bring in uh definitions of Hebrew words or Greek words if it's in the New Testament, but I provide all the citations so everybody can go look it up and see if if they agree with the way I wrote the short story. Uh, but the short story does, for some people, make scripture a little more accessible. Uh, and then I have a teaching on how that Bible story applies to the abortion issue. And then I lead, I provide a sample prayer, and all the prayers are based, are scripture-based, and I list all the scriptures that I included in those prayers as well. Uh and then the second half of the book, uh, it gets much more focused on abortion specifically. Not that the first half isn't, but like I said, the first half is more preparation. Uh, and so in the second half of the book, uh, we walk through uh the woman caught in the very act of adultery, the woman at the well, uh, what is traditionally called the David and Bathsheba story, which in my opinion should be called David Covered Up Unplanned Pregnancy Story. Uh and actually the coolest chapter, which is brand new to this edition. Matter of fact, it wasn't even in my draft until almost the last minute uh before getting this published, is chapter 12. And what chapter 12 does is it takes you through uh everything uh the Bible says specifically related to the abortion issue. So it debunks internet stuff about Numbers chapter 5, which people say is a prescription for abortion, which of course it is not. Uh yeah uh but it also takes you back to Jewish thinking at the time of Jesus, why Jesus doesn't use the term abortion when he's talking, and also talks about passages in the book of Galatians and the book of Revelation that actually do talk about the modern day abortion pill issue that we have going on. And so it it points out that we uh well it it takes you beyond Psalm 139. Uh, you know, pro-lifers know Psalm 139, but there are so many more verses, but it also takes you deeper and takes you into early church thought on abortion and all based on research and all citations provided. So, once again, you can go follow up and check to see if you agree with what I say. Uh, and at the very end, uh calling people to action. So, my local pregnancy resource center, which is Mosaic, Virginia in northern Northern Virginia, outside of Washington, D.C., uh, their pregnancy resource center, she gave me a whole huge long list of ways that people can get involved from very simple, easy buying diapers to uh volunteering with pregnancy resource centers. And so I've got a big, big long well, I provide a sh a taste of it in the book, and then I provide a link and a QR code so that people can go to a website and see her at big long last. So the book really takes uh you know, your everyday average uh Christian through the whole gamut from learning how to pray powerfully to praying powerfully and being fully equipped with what the Bible says all the way to action. Like let's go get to work uh and uh making a difference in our communities. So that's kind of the big picture. Although in the back of the book, I go ahead. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 11:20

I was just gonna say if someone so if someone's looking on Amazon, if they see second edition, that's the one you're talking about, right? The second edition? Correct. Correct. Okay. Um and would you speak to like the difference between prayer and worship? Because when I think of worship, I usually think of it of it in song form. Um but would you compare yeah, talk about worship versus you know, in relation to how you know overlap and differences with prayer?

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Right, right. Yeah, that's a really good question. And so, you know, this uh this book does introduce people to think a little more widely about worship. So, you know, we often think about it as songs that we sing on Sunday morning, but it's actually so much more than that. And so I take you into the Hebrew uh in the King Jehoshaphat story. So the word for worship used in that story is shaka, and excuse my Minnesota accent. Like I don't speak Hebrew, so yeah, that's my best guess at my transliteration of the word. Uh but worship uh that word comes with physical, a physical position, and it means to fall prostrate. And so the the way that we most often see this in the world is when we see Muslims in prayer. They're fall they have fallen prostrate. Uh, but because we Christians don't want people to think right that that that we're uh Muslim, because that's so associated with Muslims today, the way I've seen Christians do it is just laying flat, flat, all laid out on the floor, nose to the ground. And the whole idea is that you are totally submitted to the Lord. And but even I mean, it doesn't have to be physical, it really is a heart position, right? Where we are uh we are submitted to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, that He is King and we are members of His kingdom. Uh, but then the word praise is used also in this story in Second Chronicles. Uh, and even those words that get translated into English as praise are actually multiple words in Hebrew. And so I go through the meaning of each one of those as well. And often those also come with physical positions. So halal is one of them. Uh, that's the base of our word hallelujah. And, you know, it's not a calm hallelujah. It's a boisterous and boasting and and you know, people being up and excited and dancing. Uh there is a term yada, which uh my nephew, who's a worship leader, Andrew Teller, he actually teaches on this as well, but he does it more from a music perspective. I do it from an everyday living perspective. And he describes yada as yada, you know, like somebody want to touch down, right? You get super excited, and it's thanking the Lord, but it's often done before God has done anything. And that's what happens in this King Jehoshaphat story is they praise the Lord with thanksgiving before God uh won the battle for them. Uh and there and there's more. So uh it's it's pointing out to people that you know we need to have a humble approach, but also that music is very powerful uh in everything that we do. And so the Lord showed this to me uh while I was writing uh my memoir. I have a personal story of going into a quote unquote battle. Uh, and the Lord showed me that uh when I was singing my praise songs, I was I was worshiping a head of a battle. And as soon as it just like I had the big aha and I understood it, I was coming home from that day and I was just praising him for how well the day went. Uh he started to show me how that applied to so many other things. And uh so within a year of publishing my memoir, the Lord had me sit down and start to write this book. And he's the one who gave me this title, Worship to End Abortion. Uh, and he's like, You need to be singing and praising me ahead of this spiritual battle and pointing out to me that this is very much a spiritual battle. So uh yes, it does sound it's weird to our ears, but worship and praise is really important. And then of course, you know, praying. And our prayers should start off with praising the Lord. I mean, hallowed be thy name, right? Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. I mean, that is very much praise and worship right there in the beginning of what we call the Lord's prayer. And so, you know, Jesus provided us with a model, but I'm just approaching it from a different, uh slightly different uh uh direction, but all scriptural.

SPEAKER_05 17:03

Wow. So so what does it look like if you were to look compare praying? How many of us pray very passively or softly to praying powerfully with praise? Like, is it involve praying scripture? Does it involve like almost like a battle theme or song or victory piece? Um is it about is it a matter of like proclaiming God's victory that is to come as we know he has one, and we're asked to pray, you know, pray for things as if he has already done it, even though we're we're in the timeline of it hasn't happened yet.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Yeah, yeah. So um you know, uh praising the Lord uh and then praying, yes, praying as if the bat he is going to win the battle. Uh and also scripture says that the prayers of the righteous are effective. And so uh at least in the in my experience in the evangelical world is that we don't really have a whole lot of conversation about what that means. And so the first part of the book really helps us to get in ourselves in a state of of righteousness, and you know, helping people see what that means and how beneficial it is. And then re and then towards the end of that section, reminding people that uh you are powerful in Christ. Um I mean, Christianity is weird, right? It's like it's not like other other religions, it's not like living like the world. So Christianity requires humbleness in order to be powerful, it also requires changing our minds and thinking the way the Lord thinks. Uh, it requires us uh giving up our way of doing things and listening and asking the Lord what it is that he wants. But scripture also makes it very uh clear that uh God works through people and he wants us to pray powerfully, to speak the truth, to speak the truth in love, to speak the truth while we're praying, and he loves hearing his word in in our prayers. And so it it it's a progression of lear of learning different pieces of scripture in uh becoming righteous, but also believing, have a whole chapter on just just believe that he is uh that he is going to win the battle. Uh, and then I have a chapter on who are you? This is what scripture says about who you are. And you know, from a heavenly perspective, you are very powerful, your words are very powerful. Of course, we don't go out in the world and go, I'm a really powerful Christian. We go out to the world as humble people. And you know, that's the weird thing about Christianity is that uh we're powerful when we're humble.

SPEAKER_05 20:28

Yeah. Yeah, it feels like a lot of things are they seem like they're upside down. I or they feel like they're you know, our our you know, the um and even in like the the Sermon on the Mount when God talks about um you know, those who are meek will inherit the earth, I believe it is, or um something it might I might have gotten one part of that mixed up, but though it's he touched with the meek and and a and a really good blessing for those um and it feels but yeah, being humble, but yet there's power. Um and really uh it's it seems like it reflects how we are when we are weak, you know, he is strong. Yeah. And we're simply supposed to look and point to him, it seems like.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And but even, you know, the book of Ephesians, the first half of Ephesians is reminding us who it is we are in Christ. Uh and even says this really weird, bold thing about our job is to make it clear to the spiritual realm, like the spiritual realm of darkness, about God, that God is right and He is the way. Uh, and then, you know, the second half of Ephesians is more instruction on how to live that out as a powerful Christian. What I find is that we often forget that we're powerful. Uh, sometimes a lot of times, actually, and and even in listening to Christian songs who that are not praise songs, because there is a difference between just any Christian song and a praise song, uh, you know, it's a whole lot of I'm weak, da-da-da-da-da. And and the Lord's like, okay, but you confessed your sins, you've repented, and now I've made you strong. Now that I've made you strong, go get to work, right? So, you know, the Lord called Moses, and Moses whined and whined and whined, uh, and the Lord would not give up. Like, no, you have a job to do, you must go. And uh, you know, Esther, she was there at just a time, but she had to go do something. And even as I was going over the second chronicles passage, excuse me, yesterday, uh, with a couple other women, we're doing a little Bible study. Study and we're going through it, uh, one of them pointed out that we still had to show up. You know, the the story uh tells of the people of Judah gathering for prayer and they get a word from the Lord, and then they just start worship and praise in response to what they heard from the Lord before the battle, but they were told to go to the battle, and they did go to the battle. You know, the Lord didn't say, oh, just go home, I'll take care of it. We have to show up. And so, you know, that's what we have to do as Christians, is we have we have to show up. And so, I mean, your your audience of pregnancy resource center directors, they all know that, right? Uh this is, and this book is for them. It certainly will help their teams. I actually have a little paragraph about that on the back about how it will help with pro-life teams. But also, uh, you know, for any Christian who's going to church and they're hearing all the stuff in the news and they're tired of hearing the political part of the abortion issue. What can I do? Well, this book walks you through what you can do.

SPEAKER_05 24:07

Yeah, I feel like it's a paradigm shift from trying to end abortion in my own power or someone's own power to worshiping, asking God prayerfully through uh and being being all in and authentic to to uh take that battle. Um that's what uh that's what I'm hearing. Does that seem right?

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, you know, it's it's an equipping book. So it's going to equip any Christian with what scripture says. Help them to be the they'll see uh they'll get different lessons out of Bible stories that they've heard many times before, because the Lord has given me uh, you know, different, a different perspective or another lesson, an additional lesson to what they've heard from their pastors. And so it's it's equipping uh uh for knowledge, right? What scripture says, but also equipping just for your everyday life, because you know, the worship and praise has been so powerful in my own life that has nothing to do with the abortion issue. So, you know, you can take this and use this uh in any part of your life. I I'm actually I'm a writing teacher, I'm a writing coach to adults. I teach my high school students to use this uh to worship and praise before they sit down and write. I'm like, as Christians, we have no excuse for writer's block. I do the same thing with my adult clients who are writing books. So, and you know, uh I had students this week who were going to take the PSAT. And I'm like, okay, you've been in my class, you make sure that you worship and pray on your way over there, right? So it's it's equipping for your life, it's equipping for the abortion issue. Uh, you know, my hope and prayer is that it makes your everyday Christian a more powerful Christian. And then of course, I hope and pray that everybody will pray powerfully about this abortion issue, see it as a spiritual issue rather than only as a political issue. And even better if we can like get the whole church, like get the church talking about this in church. So even on the back of the book, I said for individuals and church groups, this guide invites Christians into a deep intentional walk with God where worship becomes a powerful force for transformation in hearts, communities, and countries. For pro-life ministries like your audience, this guide helps frontline ministry leaders and teams strengthen their spiritual defenses while advancing the pro-life cause. And then for pastors, and this book is endorsed by two pastors and a worship leader, uh, the guide equips pastors and priests with a scripture-rich resource for preaching and teaching on one of the most pressing issues facing our country. Each chapter delivers footnoted scripture with cross-references, sermon-ready insights, and practical applications for the pulpit, prayer gatherings, and outreach opportunities. So, you know, depending on who you are in the church, you you may end up using this book in different ways. Uh, you know, the chapter 12, as I said, was the newest uh part of the book. And uh a pastor friend of mine, he's retired. Uh, he has his master's in divinity, and I he'd already had the draft of the book, and I was having him go through and, you know, tell make sure I didn't miss anything or said anything that was not theologically correct. He he did fix a couple things I had about kings, like I guess I missed some kings in the book of Daniel. Uh and then I handed him chapter 12 and he wrote sent it back to me with a note that said, This needs to be in the hands of every pastor. And I was just like, oh my. I mean, it just felt so so good, so validated. Uh, because there is there are things in scripture that we're missing, uh, because our culture is different and because of translation. And so my hope is that you know, the wider church actually uh digs into chapter twelve and really understands uh that the Bible is addressing abortion.

SPEAKER_05 29:00

Wow. So I when I my next question is well, um it might be a longer one. So the next question I've got here for you is what does it look like for prayer slash praise to end abortion? And so is that like so uh side note, which would be um if if abortion is ended, are we talking about one person at a time, meaning one person's abortion is prevented or stopped, or you know, a new course is taking place, because to end sin isn't really seemed to be one of the things that ever happens. And so it's not like we can end the category of sin because there's still people with free will. But and it and if if one person's abortion is avoided, it's sort of hard to count how many abortions have been avoided because what are we looking at counting? And it may just simply be an uncountable number because it's hard to see what didn't happen. So I guess the question might be is what does it look like for prayer/slash praise to end abortion?

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Yeah. Yeah, that end abortion thing is really weird. And uh all I can say is it's the title the Lord gave me, and he keeps educating me on this. So one of the things he's made clear to me is we need to end abortion in the church. So capital T, capital C, right? Worldwide church. I'm not like pointing at any any particular church, uh, the worldwide church. Uh, you know, the early church, and I addressed this in chapter 12, the early church outright told its members do not commit murder by abortion or infanticide. It's in uh the Didica, or also called the teaching of the apostles. It was like the first church book membership manual. Uh and so the early church knew that we should not be having abortions. And the church doesn't seem to know that today. And so, you know, that's the first goal. And, you know, everybody who works at a PRC knows that there are women coming in from the local churches, women coming in from the local pro-life churches, women coming in from churches that even preach on Sanctity of Life Sunday. And so the first end abortion that the Lord has shown me is, you know, the church has got to get this right. And that's really the focus of this book. This book is most certainly not intended for a non-Christian. It's intended for somebody who believes scripture. It's not just stories, not just good stories, feel good stories, right? It's it's uh a powerful book that is meant to change our lives and instruct us. And so, you know, the first, yeah, that's the first goal is to end abortion within the church. But then we also know that pregnancy resource centers are sharing the gospel, and abortion recovery programs are sharing the gospel. So we are, of course, rescuing uh souls, you know, not just the baby's life, but we're rescuing the soul of that mom and potentially the dad, you know, because more and more men are coming in with women to their appointment at a pregnancy resource center, right? Because PRCs are now adding men's ministry elements to that. So we're, you know, we're we're on a mission to save souls, uh, in addition to saving babies. And so we are reaching outside of the church, of course. We all we've the the pro-life movement's been doing that forever. Uh but the the ending abortion is the that whole concept is supposed to be it's focused on the church, making sure the church understands this and the church gets it right, right? We're preparing the bride for the bridegroom.

SPEAKER_05 33:30

Interesting. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And that's um I want to dive in, I want to dig in deeper on this one. So uh I was I'm I'm gonna give you a side story and then a Bible verse, and then I got a question for you as a follow-up. So uh I was working on a project recently trying to identify different deserts where people who are abortion vulnerable, abortion-minded may be in and they need a you know special help for for you know to reach those people in the desert. And um and we identified about eight different deserts. And one of the deserts my son identified, who's 16, he's a senior in high school, and he identified the social desert, meaning when someone wants to be invisible, they don't want to be seen. And that social desert, like when they don't have social capital to spend, or there's embarrassment, or there's private, you know, they just don't want someone to know what they're going through. And that seems to be amplified in smaller communities like rural, and maybe it's less in urban because people are invisible. When there's a million people around you, you always feel invisible. But when there's only a 10,000 people around you, you're always seen, more likely. And it's also amplified in church communities where you want, you know, where there's shame and um a desire to hide. Um, but anyways, there's a social desert, and it's almost like when people want to not be seen. And then pairing that with uh James 5.16, which you you quoted part of it, which was um confess your sins one to another so you may be healed, and the prayers of a righteous person availeth much or are effective. And so, with those two thoughts, what's happening to a local church body or the greater capital, all uppercase church body when abortion takes place in a church? Like what is actually happening, what damage is being done? And in and do and is James 5.16 the answer when it comes to confess confessing and asking for prayer and looking for healing and repair?

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Mm-hmm. Yeah, really good questions. All right. So uh I talk about this in both of my books because uh I experienced it. So I had an abortion when I was in high school. You could uh call, you know, that's like your teenager said, you could put me in that category, uh, you know, smallish town, uh, well, city, I guess technically city. Uh but, you know, in social groups where it's, you know, anything that's going on with you is super obvious. And I did grow up in the church. And I didn't just grow up in the church like uh I have a historical, very churchy family. My grandfather was a pastor, uh, that's my mom's dad, my dad's brother was a pastor, my dad was the choir director, my mom was church organist, well, at least before I was born. But uh, you know, she was always uh volunteering with children's choir or Sunday school or whatever, right? Like we were very churchy family, but I didn't know what scripture said. Uh, and my parents actually knew I was going to have an abortion. They, my my mom and my boyfriend's mom went with us to when I went and got the abortion. And from a worldly perspective, my abortion was perfect. Like uh, you know, all the studies say, well, of course she's depressed afterwards, or because she already had issues. Well, I didn't, right? And everybody agreed with me, and everybody supported me. Uh, and you know, I didn't have any physical effects. And yet I can tell you from a healed state that uh the abortion affected me. I called myself the first time I really gave my testimony, I called myself the Walking Dead. And just for context, this was before the Walking Dead TV show came out. Uh and actually I always have to stop and give a little side note because God has a sense of humor. I'm originally from Minnesota. I'm giving this testimony in Minnesota, and five years later, the Lord moves us to Georgia into the little town where they ended up filming The Walking Dead TV show. Anyway, so I, you know, I described that myself like that for a long time. Still do that time period between my abortion and my uh repentance. Uh, after I repented, like something changed in me. And so when I sat down to write my memoir, I asked the Lord about that. I'm like, you told me I have to write my story. How do I explain to people what happened to me? And and I even said to him, I said that there's nothing in scripture about anybody having an abortion. And he took me back to the David and Bathsheba story, which I thought was so weird. And and and also weird because I had studied it, not just read it, like studied it more than once. And so I went and studied it again. And he took me to a psalm written by David. Uh, and you're probably thinking I'm taking you to Psalm 51, which is true. We did go to Psalm 51, but he also took me to Psalm 32, and I think it's verse 4 that he essentially says David's saying uh and when my that his sin was heavy on him, like the Lord's hand was heavy on him until he confessed, until he repented. And I read it for the first time in the NASB 1995 version, and it said uh that his vitality was drained away. And I just sat back and I went, that's it. That's why I felt like I had become the walking dead, was because my vitality was drained away. And you know, we can see this in post-abortive women. Uh for me, it felt like a little pinprick in my soul, and vitality just kind of slowly seeped out, you know. But women who are immediately suicidal, you know, it's like a big hole is punched in their soul and it just drains out, and they're like, I I just need, you know, uh to commit suicide. Uh, you know, so every woman reacts differently. And I can't speak to men, because of course I'm not a man, but I I can imagine with so many men self-reporting the effect of their involvement in abortion that they probably have something similar, right? Where they're they feel the Lord's hand heavy on them and their vitality is drained away. So you have people in the church who have chosen or been forced into or coerced into abortion, they their vitality is drained away. And you stop and you think about King King David's life after his affair and his arranging for Bathsheba's husband to die. Uh his his life wasn't as easy as it had been, right? He had kind of he had he had obtained so much victory, he stayed home when he should have been at battle. And when he stayed home, he sees Bathsheba, he has a one-night stand with her, and then he has to deal with this unplanned pregnancy and what am I going to do about it? And you read the rest of his life and you can see there's scandal, right? There's mutiny, there's you know, so much stuff that happens. Well, what if he hadn't gotten himself into that situation in the first place? Right? His his king his kingship probably would have gone so much more smoothly if he had never gotten there in the first place. So, you know, when you've got abortion in the church, you got indiv individuals affected by abortion, they're not the strong, powerful Christians that we're called to be. Right? It's hard to be an Ephesians sort of Christian when you've got abortion draining your soul. And so if you want a powerful church ready for spiritual battle, then you need to have healed people. And so, therefore, abortion recovery, right? We need people in people who've already experienced abortion in abortion recovery. And of course, we need Christians to not even get there in the first place.

SPEAKER_05 42:44

That makes a lot of sense. So, yeah, the and the church body is made up of individual bodies. So if one body is sick, then the group church body also includes that that damage. So I was gonna read uh Psalms 32, 3 and 4 and the NASB 95. So it looks like vitality is actually in verse 4. So verse 3 reads, When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away through my groaning all day long, for day and night your hand was heavy upon me, my vitality was drained away, as with the fever heat of summer. Say law.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:28

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

Those two verses that just hit me.

SPEAKER_05 43:32

I was just like, yeah, that's I think the the clinch pin is that um keeping silent. Because then that, you know, then that that pairs up with James 5.16, confess to one another in the prayers of a righteous person are uh effective.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I mean, we know from a pregnancy resource center standpoint that there's a ton of women and men out there who have been involved in abortion, uh, you know, mostly voluntarily, but also coerced and forced abortions. And, you know, these are people who are not whole. Uh, and we need to get them into abortion recovery programs so that they can be whole, you know, which is uh I think, you know, part of my the other part of my life is uh getting testimonies out so that uh people know that they're not alone in this suffering, in this hurt, uh, or you know, walking dead through life, uh, and know that abortion recovery programs exist. And it's you know, it's a really powerful and beautiful thing when that happens. So you You know, you had one of my clients on recently, k uh which shoulder here, Candy, uh, whose book is coming out at the beginning of November. She's gone viral. And as a result of her going viral, there are all sorts of women calling up abortion recovery programs. Uh, because they're like, Well, if this 82-year-old is talking about it, uh, and she can be healed, well then I want to be healed. And that's that's a beautiful thing. We need that. And we also know we're actually catching Christians in the process because the gospel is shared, you know, in any Christian abortion recovery program.

SPEAKER_05 45:28

That's good. That's really good. Um well, Sheryl, what else would you like to share about your book that I didn't ask you about? Or what other areas come to mind that would be really good to t to touch on?

SPEAKER_00 45:41

Yeah, that's a really good question. Uh you know, okay, in particular for your audience, uh my my hope and prayer is that you guys would go through this book as a team. Uh you know, I can see it as being a a bonding experience, but also, you know, empowering your team from a spiritual perspective. Uh and I and I do have uh group pricing on my on my website. So if you won't uh want 10 copies or more, uh you can get it at a cheaper rate than what you would get on Amazon or Books A Million or wherever it is that you you buy books. Uh you know, because and you know, maybe maybe you'll end up having more praise in your in your very own pregnancy resource center. You know, that would be a great way to start your day.

SPEAKER_05 46:40

That's really good. Um Well, thank you so much, Cheryl, for for being on here and for sharing this and yeah, just providing an opportunity for people to just be more empowered in prayer and praise and and um and claiming the victory that God has won. Would you wrap up our podcast with a prayer for those who are in this work and and for abortion to end one person one one abortion at a time, having abortion end and disappear from our land?

SPEAKER_00 47:15

Absolutely, thank you. Heavenly Father, Lord, we praise your holy name, for you are holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty. Lord, we thank you and praise you for sending your Son Jesus Christ to be our Savior, to show us how to live and walk here on earth, and also to atone for our own sins. Lord, we thank you and praise you that uh He went to the cross for us so that we could be perfected and powerful here on earth, Lord. And I just thank you that you've made that possible. And I thank you, Jesus, for telling us in Luke 11, 13 that we can ask for the Holy Spirit. And efficient Ephesians reminds us to continually be filled with the Holy Spirit. So, Father God, we ask you to give us more of the Holy Spirit, knowing that we will uh reap the fruit of the Spirit, that agape love will be evident in us, and everybody will see it because of the joy and the peace and the patience and the kindness and the goodness and the faithfulness and the gentleness and the self-control that's apparent in us and around us. And so, Lord, I thank you and praise you for all of these people who are out in the field on the frontline battle working uh to end abortion in their own communities and online that uh you are powerfully using pregnancy resource centers and uh pro-life teams of all sorts to speak the truth in love. Lord, and I ask that you give them even more Holy Spirit power to do what you have already called them to do, that you equip them even more for the end of abortion in the church, Lord, and I thank you and praise you that the church is growing because our pregnancy resource centers are sharing the gospel and our abortion recovery programs are sharing the gospel. Lord, may everything we do be for your glory. In Jesus' name we pray.

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Amen.

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We joined the maker, we're joined in the king, break with the dancing, break with the singing.